Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[joedhie2k]

I have always said from the very beginning, Kemenkeu is too powerful and that is bad

Imagine having a wallet that can talk back against you, and control your own money, that's basically Kemenkeu

Their paradigm is purely economic-financial, not defense. If you think like hammer everything will look like a nail to you, that is basically how they think. Kemenkeu sees everything as financial problem and nothing else. Defense is not first about consideration of the economy, but national security. If one sacrifice capability for the sake of saving some money that is legit dumb.

When you are hospitalized and are on medication, you do not intentionally cut your own healthcare budget midway, which means fewer drugs and less treatment, for the sake of "saving budget". Because the whole point of you getting treated in hospital, to begin with, is to get healthy (creating robust defense capability), not to save money (whatever kemenkeu is doing), cost is just a secondary consideration to that purpose, because otherwise if you are not healthy, you will die.

but 08 cannot justify why he have to buy that "medication", with cost effectiveness in mind why not pursue other alternative.. or commit to program already planned

even the reason is hush hush confidential he still can talk behind public directly to SMI

 

[RadenSudirman]

It makes sense that if you have a limited budget while the list of activities to be funded is very large, then the super-priority activities are selected. It's different when the state of war or other things that force it may be a super-priority choice for self-defense.
To become a priority, the role of the ministry/institution is to provide a convincing explanation regarding activities in their environment. It also includes how planning, managing the implementation of activities, and accountability must also be clear, transparent, and accountable. If it turns out that they were not chosen to receive funding, it is worth asking whether the activity is a super-priority or not?

There should be exceptions because what you said only largely applies to "normal" institutions whose job is mostly just day-to-day administration, which doesn't play around with high-risk situations. But Military? this stuff cannot use the same rule as any other.

You have to own the capability before the war happened, not after. Because military procurement is very costly, takes a really long time, and has a lot of other complex things affecting it. And when war already started there might never be enough time to prepare, heck to simply rally the soldiers takes time let alone getting all of these hard-to-produce equipments. A country needs to have a good military at all time, which is why it is called a professional military.

Ask the witch whether the current defense posture is good or not? the witch is not educated in this field yet holds the power of the purse, insanity!. As you can see here they supported something which may sound good financially, but make less sense militarily.

Don't say things like this defending Kemenkeu when deep down you don't agree with this Mirage thing either.

but 08 cannot justify why he have to buy that "medication", with cost effectiveness in mind why not pursue other alternative.. or commit to program already planned

Rafale already planned right? Did the Mirage idea was planned though? so which one is it, alternative or commitment. Confusion like this is the recipe for bad public policy, no transparency, and is determined by inside dealings.

even the reason is hush hush confidential he still can talk behind public directly to SMI

or an even better idea is to take away the power of Kemenkeu and sack SMI. Give the power of the budgeting to DPR instead of a single ministry.

 

[NEKO]

Give the power of the budgeting to DPR

Imagine the chaos.

 

[Umigami]

Give the power of the budgeting to DPR instead of a single ministry.

Nope, Jamaah Amblesiah and rusky strong will raise again.

 

[Umigami]

That 36 Rafales batch 2 got cut to 23 and this 14 Mirage 2000 is to compensate it. O... Kay...

More info:
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5 units from Qatar and 9 units from UAE.
Contract already signed, Bappenas and MoF already agree.

Nor now I'll take it as kabar burung.

Private contractor acquires Qatari Mirage 2000s to train French Air Force - AeroTime

A French private company, ARES (Advanced REDAIR European Squadron), acquired 12 Qatar Mirage 2000 fighters to provide training to fighter pilots of the French Navy, the French newspaper Les Echos reports. Much like the United States Air Force that recently awarded $6.4 billion worth of contracts...

www.google.com

I don't think Qatar can supply any unit to us.

 

[RadenSudirman]

Imagine the chaos.

Nope, Jamaah Amblesiah and rusky strong will raise again.

DPR is corrupt and all, but at least they are LEMBAGA TINGGI NEGARA, and have DEDICATED COMMISION on military affairs. Unlike some audacious witch and her minions.

You guys like to use the US as a role model right? Well, it is their DPR who has the power to give the budget to their departments and have clear accountability right away. If some agencies messed up they speak and explain to DPR, simple. Does Kemenkeu have this mechanism? heck, the fact that they have direct control over other ministries' budgets alone should be considered unconstitutional.

In any case, take away the power of Kemenkeu. They are only to manage the income but should not control the spending.

 

[chibiyabi]

hadeuh.... so crowded without a reason

 

[Gary]

Retire the Hawks, induct the Mirages.

 

[NEKO]

Retire the Hawks, induct the Mirages.

Replacing old fighter with another old fighter(but more capable), I also thought of this previously but we gotta get more than just a mere 14.

 

[chibiyabi]

chaos without any reason, just speculation

 

[joedhie2k]

or an even better idea is to take away the power of Kemenkeu and sack SMI. Give the power of the budgeting to DPR instead of a single ministry.

ok.. lol.. but ok

 

[joedhie2k]

Retire the Hawks, induct the Mirages.

retire sukhoi, induct frenchie

 

[Gary]

retire sukhoi, induct frenchie

Hawks are the bigger lemon

 

[joedhie2k]

my guess, wowo wont retire anything.. he needs number for flypass and parade
must looks strong for the election

 

[Gary]

Kemenhan, No love for more FA-50 ?

 

[wahyu845]

Jokowi's government policy is not to buy used airplanes? That's why the government doesn't buy used Rafales or used F 16s, is it possible now to buy used Mirages from midle east ?

 

[schuimpjes]

It started from US decline us to get F-35 lol. Then all kind of aircrafts started to popping up until this shame Mirage 2000.

But what is F-35 if logistically we still considered as less good than countries that already would got it this decade

 

[R4duga]

coming soon on tni au depohar.

 

[wahyu845]

coming soon on tni au depohar.
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Be careful in the end those fighter became Hanggar Queen

 

[schuimpjes]

Be careful in the end those fighter became Hanggar Queen

What you expect from procurement with poor planning compared to Japan, SK, Taiwan, Singapore, PRC. Put just Asian countries here.