Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Lordimperator]

Rafale and Mirage are basically the same class from French. So they could search for heavy fighter from the same country which is Eagle too.

F15 reduced to 8/12, add more F16?

 

[Umigami]

So 6 + 23 rafale, 29, 2 squad?

+ 14 2nd hand Mirage 2000
= 3 squadrons worth mix French fighter

 

[Umigami]

F15 reduced to 8/12, add more F16?

2nd hand Eagle I guess

 

[Gary]

1. Preparing IAF to get Rafale, might be this is somenkind of deal with French too.

1.Preparing Mirage for Rafale ? I can' see the correlation on prepping on two very different platform
2. Deal with the French buy buying Middle Eastern bird ? again I fail to see the point

Maybe lobbies from French and MEA nations, which they are trying to get rid off their mirage fleet.

 

[Umigami]

Let's put this Mirage where the adversary aren't that serious. Biak maybe?

 

[Lordimperator]

2. Deal with the French buy buying Middle Eastern bird ? again I fail to see the point

I dunno, just reading alot of article MEA 2nd hand Mirage being hunted by many AF, Morrocan, Egypt, India etc...

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540992733950513152

 

[Jagdflieger]

Well, upon this news at least all neighbor countries can now relax, lay on the beach and have some Banana lui

 

[Lordimperator]

upon this news at least all neighbor countries can now relax

Yep, Now it could lessen the "Kiasu" Singporean and while Malaysian still waiting for their LCA

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540992733950513152

Nah, they handed out Mosque Model kit not Mirage

 

[Lordimperator]

adversary aren't that serious. Biak maybe?

Lol 78 F35 are serious threat

 

[Umigami]

Lol 78 F35 are serious threat

They still think Australia as enemy?

 

[Jagdflieger]

Depends on what political layout Indonesia might have in the next 10-20 years.

 

[NEKO]

Is there a plan to get more than 14 unit in the future?

 

[Lordimperator]

Is there a plan to get more than 14 unit in the future?

Depends on the Sri Bendahara?

 

[Umigami]

Is there a plan to get more than 14 unit in the future?

Please no. After F15 and Rafale (+mirage) secure, just concentrate on IFX already!

 

[Lordimperator]

IFX already

Ahaha, almost forget that our flag still fitted on the maiden flight KFX demonstrator.

 

[FPXAllen]

Let's put this Mirage where the adversary aren't that serious. Biak maybe?

As much as I wish this is true, a modern air force should not be built based upon this thinking - especially so for a nation like Indonesia.

To put it simply, with our geographical situation combined with our foreign policy, our potential threats are coming from all directions. Thus, if we base our "weaker" squadrons at some places where we think the "lesser threats" are, a capable enemy nation will always be able to find ways to exploit this, either by using carrier strike groups, long-range strategic bombing or missile strikes, exhausting our more advanced combat aircrafts and destroying their bases first, or by some other options.

If this plan goes through, I can only say that we're going to shoot our own foot in the long run. Furthermore, this will add more burden and complication to the already overcomplicated and overburdened air force's logistics for, what? A mere squadron of 20-30-year old combat jets?

 

[RadenSudirman]

I have always said from the very beginning, Kemenkeu is too powerful and that is bad

Imagine having a wallet that can talk back against you, and control your own money, that's basically Kemenkeu

Their paradigm is purely economic-financial, not defense. If you think like hammer everything will look like a nail to you, that is basically how they think. Kemenkeu sees everything as financial problem and nothing else. Defense is not first about consideration of the economy, but national security. If one sacrifice capability for the sake of saving some money that is legit dumb.

When you are hospitalized and are on medication, you do not intentionally cut your own healthcare budget midway, which means fewer drugs and less treatment, for the sake of "saving budget". Because the whole point of you getting treated in hospital, to begin with, is to get healthy (creating robust defense capability), not to save money (whatever kemenkeu is doing), cost is just a secondary consideration to that purpose, because otherwise if you are not healthy, you will die.

 

[kantokuukai]

I have always said from the very beginning, Kemenkeu is too powerful and that is bad

Imagine having a wallet that can talk back against you, and control your own money, that's basically Kemenkeu

Their paradigm is purely economic-financial, not defense. If you think like hammer everything will look like a nail to you, that is basically how they think. Kemenkeu sees everything as financial problem and nothing else. Defense is not first about consideration of the economy, but national security. If one sacrifice capability for the sake of saving some money that is legit dumb.

When you are hospitalized and are on medication, you do not intentionally cut your own healthcare budget midway, which means fewer drugs and less treatment, for the sake of "saving budget". Because the whole point of you getting treated in hospital, to begin with, is to get healthy (creating robust defense capability), not to save money (whatever kemenkeu is doing), cost is just a secondary consideration to that purpose, because otherwise if you are not healthy, you will die.

It makes sense that if you have a limited budget while the list of activities to be funded is very large, then the super-priority activities are selected. It's different when the state of war or other things that force it may be a super-priority choice for self-defense.
To become a priority, the role of the ministry/institution is to provide a convincing explanation regarding activities in their environment. It also includes how planning, managing the implementation of activities, and accountability must also be clear, transparent, and accountable. If it turns out that they were not chosen to receive funding, it is worth asking whether the activity is a super-priority or not?