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Korean Netizens Protesting the Indonesian Flag at KF 21 Boromae
Tuesday, 19 July 2022 11:10 WIB
A YouTube account uploaded a video entitled "The Reason Korean Netizens Don't Want to Have an Indonesian Flag at KF 21 Boromae" . This video narrates the rejection of South Korean netizens who object to the Indonesian flag affixed parallel to the Korean flag on the muzzle of the KF 21 Boromae fighter prototype.This video says, Korean netizens consider this a lip service because Indonesia can't be relied on. Indonesia has not paid for the total project worth 1.7 trillion won.
As of this writing, the 3:12 minute video, which was uploaded on July 12, 2022, has been viewed 423,938 times, and has been liked by 6500 YouTube users.
FACT CHECK
The search results of the Tempo Fact Check Team, on the official YouTube account of KAI's Korea Aerospace Industries, showed that there were 2,136 comments when KAI announced that the KF-21 would fly for the first time on July 8, 2022. Apart from comments of appreciation and support, there were many comments about the Indonesian flag on the nose of the plane from netizens. South Korea and Indonesia.
To verify this video, the Tempo Fact Check Team watched to the end and analyzed the fragments of images, statements and narrations conveyed. Also read comments on KAI's official YouTube account as well as credible media as well as statements from state institutions both in Indonesia and in South Korea.
Tempo uses Yandex Image, Google Image, and Fake News Debunker By InVid to analyze identical videos or photos and Google Translate and Google Lens to translate Korean.
The video at 0:18 seconds shows a screenshot of the K Zero Account comment on Youtube Korea Aerospace Industries KAI. When translated, K Zero says “Can you take off the Indonesian flag? I really hate to see it, when the prototype comes out, promises not being kept, the picture looks like they were involved in it.”
In reply to the comments, K Zero also mentioned that Indonesia could not be relied on because it had not paid the total IFX KFX project worth 1.7 trillion won. After paying 200 billion won, Indonesia no longer made payments for 3 years, citing renegotiation of the terms and conditions that Indonesia obtained.
Based on the results of Tempo's search, the video that is the background of this screenshot is identical to the upload by Korea Aerospace Industries KAI on July 8, 2022. The broadcast informs that on July 6, 2022, the prototype KF-21 Unit 1 will make its first flight, gliding on the runway at low speed.
The same video was also released by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration , which said the first domestically produced fighter, the KF-21 (Bora Mae), was shown for the first time slowing down the runway. This video was shot on the apron of Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) headquarters in Sacheon, Gyeongnam on July 6, 2022 at 12 noon today.
You can see the numbers 001 and Taegukgi (Korean flag, red ) and the Red and White flag on the fuselage. Also the logo of KAI, the Ministry of National Defense (MND, the Indonesian Ministry of Defense and the Defense Acquisition Program Administration).
The 1:01 minute video clip, based on a search identical to the Arirang News broadcast on April 8, 2021. This meeting is related to plans for cooperation in the development of fighter aircraft between South Korea and Indonesia.
South Korean President Moon Jae-in said South Korea was a "reliable" partner in terms of defense cooperation equipped with "world-class" capabilities and weapons systems.
This was conveyed by President Moon Jae-in, during a meeting with the visiting Indonesian Minister of Defense. Prabowo Subianto was present for the launch ceremony of the prototype KF-X fighter jet which was jointly developed and produced by the two countries.
The 1:16 minute video clip, clearly taken from the News One broadcast on April 9, 2021. Reported by Berita Satu, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto paid a courtesy visit to South Korean Defense Minister YM Suh Wook. This visit is related to a bilateral meeting on defense industry cooperation.
The 2:27 minute video, which is the background of the narrative, shows the meeting of President Jokowi and South Korean President Moon Jae-in.
The search results show that the video is a meeting of President Joko Widodo, President of South Korea Moon Jae-in at the Westin Chosun Hotel, Busan, on Monday, November 25, 2019. According to the Presidential Secretariat's YouTube channel , this meeting was held at the ASEAN-Republic of Korea (RoK) Summit. . During the meeting, both of them welcomed the increase in economic cooperation between the two countries.
Defense Industry Cooperation between South Korea and Indonesia
Quoted from the Tempo archives in 2011, the Governments of Indonesia and South Korea signed a cooperation project to make the KFX fighter aircraft or the Korea Fighter Xperiment which will last for 10 years. Then the cost sharing agreement and work assignment agreement were carried out in January 2016.
In the agreement , Indonesia bears the cost of the fighter aircraft development program by 20 percent, while South Korea 80 percent. In 10 years of development that will be carried out until 2026, the total costs borne by Indonesia will reach Rp 21.6 trillion.
The KFX/IFX fighter is a 4.5 generation semi-stealth aircraft developed by Indonesia and South Korea. This aircraft development cooperation is limited to aircraft development until it reaches a prototype.
However, in 2020, Indonesia is in arrears in payments. Quoted from the Korean Times , according to Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) data, the Indonesian government has paid 227.2 billion won ($208 million/Rp 2.8 trillion) from 2016 to 2020, but has delayed payments of 604.4 billion won ( 6.8 trillion rupiah) or 73 percent of the 831.6 billion won promised to be paid this year. The country initially agreed to pay a total of 1.7 trillion won.
The arrears are because since 2018, quoted from Kumparan , Indonesia has proposed renegotiations to save the country's foreign exchange reserves, after the rupiah experienced a tremendous weakening.
Reporting from Detik , the spokesman for Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, September 8, 2020 stated, Indonesia asked for a reduction in cost share from 20 percent to 15 percent, but South Korea only agreed to reduce it to 18.8 percent.
After the renegotiation process, quoted from the Ministry of Defense website , in November 2021, Indonesia and South Korea again signed a Joint Agreement on renegotiating the KFX/IFX joint development program. With the new agreement, the KFX/IFX development cooperation will be resumed.
Benar News reported, President Moon Jae-in at the launch of the first prototype of the KF-X/IF-X said he would like to express his deepest gratitude to the Indonesian government for trusting Korea's capabilities and being a partner in this project. The launch of this prototype was attended by the Indonesian Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto, at Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) in Sacheon.
On July 8, 2022, Korea Aerospace Industries KAI released a video of South Korea's first KF-21 fighter jet preparing for its maiden test flight. The KF-21 No.1 prototype was shown to the public for the first time on a taxiway located within the KAI headquarters in Sacheon city, South Gyeongsang Province, July 6, 2022.
The prototype KF-21 Boramae fighter has been undergoing low, medium and high speed taxi tests since June 25 and will continue until July 13. Seen on the muzzle of this plane are the flags of Korea and Indonesia. There is also the logo of KAI, the Ministry of National Defense (MND) of South Korea, and the Ministry of Defense (Dephan) of the Republic of Indonesia.
CONCLUSION
Based on the results of a video fact check entitled the reason why Korean netizens don't want an Indonesian flag at KF 21 Boromae, it is concluded that it is partly true.
It is true that Indonesia was in arrears in 2020 because it proposed to renegotiate its cost share from 20 percent to 15 percent. However, South Korea only agreed that Indonesia 's cost share would drop to 18.8 percent. In 2021, Indonesia and South Korea have signed a new contract and the cooperation will continue. That is why the Indonesian flag is attached to the KF-21 prototype.
Sebagian Benar, Video tentang Netizen Korea Protes Bendera Indonesia di KF 21 Boromae
Sebagian Benar, Video tentang Netizen Korea Protes Bendera Indonesia di KF 21 Boromae
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RIP to the Fallen.
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According to this document looks like Jokowi had given his approval for Indonesia continuation in the KF-X/IF-X project and instructed Defence Minister Prabowo to propose a total of Rp 19.67 T budget in TA 2022 - 2026.
Well lets wait and see.
Well lets wait and see.
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So we can use PLN to finance Fighter development?
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the execution part the difficult part
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Korean Netizens Protesting the Indonesian Flag at KF 21 Boromae
Tuesday, 19 July 2022 11:10 WIB
A YouTube account uploaded a video entitled "The Reason Korean Netizens Don't Want to Have an Indonesian Flag at KF 21 Boromae" . This video narrates the rejection of South Korean netizens who object to the Indonesian flag affixed parallel to the Korean flag on the muzzle of the KF 21 Boromae fighter prototype.
This video says, Korean netizens consider this a lip service because Indonesia can't be relied on. Indonesia has not paid for the total project worth 1.7 trillion won.
Screenshot of the video on YouTube spreading disinformation about the comments of South Korean netizens who don't like the installation of the Indonesian flag
As of this writing, the 3:12 minute video, which was uploaded on July 12, 2022, has been viewed 423,938 times, and has been liked by 6500 YouTube users.
FACT CHECK
The search results of the Tempo Fact Check Team, on the official YouTube account of KAI's Korea Aerospace Industries, showed that there were 2,136 comments when KAI announced that the KF-21 would fly for the first time on July 8, 2022. Apart from comments of appreciation and support, there were many comments about the Indonesian flag on the nose of the plane from netizens. South Korea and Indonesia.
To verify this video, the Tempo Fact Check Team watched to the end and analyzed the fragments of images, statements and narrations conveyed. Also read comments on KAI's official YouTube account as well as credible media as well as statements from state institutions both in Indonesia and in South Korea.
Tempo uses Yandex Image, Google Image, and Fake News Debunker By InVid to analyze identical videos or photos and Google Translate and Google Lens to translate Korean.
The video at 0:18 seconds shows a screenshot of the K Zero Account comment on Youtube Korea Aerospace Industries KAI. When translated, K Zero says “Can you take off the Indonesian flag? I really hate to see it, when the prototype comes out, promises not being kept, the picture looks like they were involved in it.”
Netizen comment screenshot
In reply to the comments, K Zero also mentioned that Indonesia could not be relied on because it had not paid the total IFX KFX project worth 1.7 trillion won. After paying 200 billion won, Indonesia no longer made payments for 3 years, citing renegotiation of the terms and conditions that Indonesia obtained.
Based on the results of Tempo's search, the video that is the background of this screenshot is identical to the upload by Korea Aerospace Industries KAI on July 8, 2022. The broadcast informs that on July 6, 2022, the prototype KF-21 Unit 1 will make its first flight, gliding on the runway at low speed.
Screenshot of the Korea Aerospace Industries KAI documentation video on July 8, 2022
The same video was also released by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration , which said the first domestically produced fighter, the KF-21 (Bora Mae), was shown for the first time slowing down the runway. This video was shot on the apron of Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) headquarters in Sacheon, Gyeongnam on July 6, 2022 at 12 noon today.
You can see the numbers 001 and Taegukgi (Korean flag, red ) and the Red and White flag on the fuselage. Also the logo of KAI, the Ministry of National Defense (MND, the Indonesian Ministry of Defense and the Defense Acquisition Program Administration).
The 1:01 minute video clip, based on a search identical to the Arirang News broadcast on April 8, 2021. This meeting is related to plans for cooperation in the development of fighter aircraft between South Korea and Indonesia.
South Korean President Moon Jae-in said South Korea was a "reliable" partner in terms of defense cooperation equipped with "world-class" capabilities and weapons systems.
This was conveyed by President Moon Jae-in, during a meeting with the visiting Indonesian Minister of Defense. Prabowo Subianto was present for the launch ceremony of the prototype KF-X fighter jet which was jointly developed and produced by the two countries.
Screenshot of News One coverage of defense cooperation between Indonesia and South Korea on April 9, 2021
The 1:16 minute video clip, clearly taken from the News One broadcast on April 9, 2021. Reported by Berita Satu, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto paid a courtesy visit to South Korean Defense Minister YM Suh Wook. This visit is related to a bilateral meeting on defense industry cooperation.
The 2:27 minute video, which is the background of the narrative, shows the meeting of President Jokowi and South Korean President Moon Jae-in.
The search results show that the video is a meeting of President Joko Widodo, President of South Korea Moon Jae-in at the Westin Chosun Hotel, Busan, on Monday, November 25, 2019. According to the Presidential Secretariat's YouTube channel , this meeting was held at the ASEAN-Republic of Korea (RoK) Summit. . During the meeting, both of them welcomed the increase in economic cooperation between the two countries.
Screenshot of the meeting between President Jokowi and South Korean President Moon Jae-in at the Westin Chosun Hotel, Busan, Monday, November 25, 2019.
Defense Industry Cooperation between South Korea and Indonesia
Quoted from the Tempo archives in 2011, the Governments of Indonesia and South Korea signed a cooperation project to make the KFX fighter aircraft or the Korea Fighter Xperiment which will last for 10 years. Then the cost sharing agreement and work assignment agreement were carried out in January 2016.
In the agreement , Indonesia bears the cost of the fighter aircraft development program by 20 percent, while South Korea 80 percent. In 10 years of development that will be carried out until 2026, the total costs borne by Indonesia will reach Rp 21.6 trillion.
The KFX/IFX fighter is a 4.5 generation semi-stealth aircraft developed by Indonesia and South Korea. This aircraft development cooperation is limited to aircraft development until it reaches a prototype.
However, in 2020, Indonesia is in arrears in payments. Quoted from the Korean Times , according to Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) data, the Indonesian government has paid 227.2 billion won ($208 million/Rp 2.8 trillion) from 2016 to 2020, but has delayed payments of 604.4 billion won ( 6.8 trillion rupiah) or 73 percent of the 831.6 billion won promised to be paid this year. The country initially agreed to pay a total of 1.7 trillion won.
The arrears are because since 2018, quoted from Kumparan , Indonesia has proposed renegotiations to save the country's foreign exchange reserves, after the rupiah experienced a tremendous weakening.
Reporting from Detik , the spokesman for Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, September 8, 2020 stated, Indonesia asked for a reduction in cost share from 20 percent to 15 percent, but South Korea only agreed to reduce it to 18.8 percent.
After the renegotiation process, quoted from the Ministry of Defense website , in November 2021, Indonesia and South Korea again signed a Joint Agreement on renegotiating the KFX/IFX joint development program. With the new agreement, the KFX/IFX development cooperation will be resumed.
Benar News reported, President Moon Jae-in at the launch of the first prototype of the KF-X/IF-X said he would like to express his deepest gratitude to the Indonesian government for trusting Korea's capabilities and being a partner in this project. The launch of this prototype was attended by the Indonesian Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto, at Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) in Sacheon.
On July 8, 2022, Korea Aerospace Industries KAI released a video of South Korea's first KF-21 fighter jet preparing for its maiden test flight. The KF-21 No.1 prototype was shown to the public for the first time on a taxiway located within the KAI headquarters in Sacheon city, South Gyeongsang Province, July 6, 2022.
The prototype KF-21 Boramae fighter has been undergoing low, medium and high speed taxi tests since June 25 and will continue until July 13. Seen on the muzzle of this plane are the flags of Korea and Indonesia. There is also the logo of KAI, the Ministry of National Defense (MND) of South Korea, and the Ministry of Defense (Dephan) of the Republic of Indonesia.
CONCLUSION
Based on the results of a video fact check entitled the reason why Korean netizens don't want an Indonesian flag at KF 21 Boromae, it is concluded that it is partly true.
It is true that Indonesia was in arrears in 2020 because it proposed to renegotiate its cost share from 20 percent to 15 percent. However, South Korea only agreed that Indonesia 's cost share would drop to 18.8 percent. In 2021, Indonesia and South Korea have signed a new contract and the cooperation will continue. That is why the Indonesian flag is attached to the KF-21 prototype.
Sebagian Benar, Video tentang Netizen Korea Protes Bendera Indonesia di KF 21 Boromae
Sebagian Benar, Video tentang Netizen Korea Protes Bendera Indonesia di KF 21 Boromaecekfakta.tempo.co
no matter what you see, if they don't pay the bill
these bullies still keep come, these bullies still keep come
Imagine Dragons - These bullies still keep come
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Yes if the PLN is use to "purchase" the prototype but not for the capital participation. Tho financial engineer can steer this up abit to reduce the RMP for the project and loan.
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Indonesian order not yet in book
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not 6+36 but 42 all at once ?
then we'll have to wait for the 80 UEA to be finished ?
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What's going on actually? I really blind about MoD's stuffs. Turns out we buy nothing? F-35, Rafale, F-15EX, Mirage, KF-21 prototipe which still in limbo until now because not yet pay the rest of the RnD etc etc. After all of that we still have nothing in effect until now? All stuff before just photo op? Damn, shame on us, shame on us. We got nothing until now?
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Relax and enjoy the waiting game
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Well its like they say's " Ati karep bondo cupet "
Is Kenyot the Minister of Finance? still more bantingan ???
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Its not entirely silent.
