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Pedrason said there had been some concerns that U.S. policy might change under Joe Biden, who will be sworn into office as president next month, although he reckoned that Washington would not renege on signed deals.

Is it really possible to do all of that tetek-bengek just within a month?

Let's change Typhoon to F15!!
I still want that sweet Scalp & spectre.
 
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Now we know the budget for fighters is between $9 bil - $11 bil. But how can we get more than 100 fighters from that budget?
 

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Now we know the budget for fighters is between $9 bil - $11 bil. But how can we get more than 100 fighters from that budget?
let see rafale + typhoon (50 unit) could be worth around 8-10 billion , i think we can get over 60 + FA-50 for around 2-2,4 $ billion if we look at the philippines contract (without weapon) .
 

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let see rafale + typhoon (50 unit) could be worth around 8-10 billion , i think we can get over 60 + FA-50 for around 2-2,4 $ billion if we look at the philippines contract (without weapon) .
Give some slot for KFX.
 

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Some 48 brand new F-15Ex and some 60 used F-16 a/b from Norway/israel/dessert and up grade it to V60 ;)
 

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to be honest im actually started to asking myself, if someone like US calibre know if their customer really had the money to buy all of that or they just bluffing ??? they would know right ?
 

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let see rafale + typhoon (50 unit) could be worth around 8-10 billion , i think we can get over 60 + FA-50 for around 2-2,4 $ billion if we look at the philippines contract (without weapon) .

We should insert some F-15 into the mix to reduce the price. USAF ordered 8 F-15EX (the latest variant) only for $1.2 bil. I assume F-15E will be cheaper.
 

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Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases​

Verbal agreement was made at meeting this week, defense official says
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ERWIDA MAULIA, Nikkei staff writerDecember 9, 2020 20:52 JST
JAKARTA -- The U.S. has indicated it will sell F-15 and F-18 fighter jets to Indonesia following months of meetings between top defense officials from the two countries, according to a defense official in Jakarta.
U.S. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller was in Jakarta on Monday and Tuesday to meet with Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto. During those meetings, Miller agreed to sell the two models of fighter jets to Indonesia, which has long wanted to upgrade from its aging F-16 fleet.
Top of Miller's agenda was the South China Sea, a water where many territorial claims overlap and where China has built military bases. His visit follows Washington's lifting in October of a two-decade entry ban on Subianto over past allegations of human rights violations, allowing him to hold high-level talks with Pentagon officials.

But warming relations between the two countries has put Beijing on edge, according to Rodon Pedrason, director-general of defense strategy at Indonesia's Defense Ministry.
"They asked, 'Why did you accept them?' To which we responded diplomatically. We don't want either China or the U.S. to feel neglected," Pedrason said in a webinar on Tuesday.
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Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, left, walks with acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller as they inspect guards during a meeting in Jakarta on Dec. 7. © AP
Miller also met with Indonesian Military Commander Hadi Tjahjanto and discussed plans to step up training between the two forces.
"The secretary emphasized the importance the [U.S] department of defense places on the bilateral partnership and in securing a free and open South China Sea and Indo-Pacific region," the U.S. embassy said in a press release.
Pedrason said there had been some concerns that U.S. policy might change under Joe Biden, who will be sworn into office as president next month, although he reckoned that Washington would not renege on signed deals.
"It is just a matter of how ready we are to provide the budget," he said. For now, no agreement has been signed.
Indonesia has been pushing the U.S. to sell it F-15, F-18 and F-35 fighter jets, but finally agreed on only two models as the third could take up to 10 years to deliver, Pedrason said. The F-15s and F-18s are manufactured by U.S. aerospace companies McDonnell Douglas and Boeing.
Major powers such as France, Britain, Germany and NATO have also approached Indonesia lately to discuss the South China Sea. Pedrason said Subianto is slated to visit Britain early next year, after having made more than 20 visits over the past year in search for good armament deals, including in France, Russia, Turkey and China.
Manila will be Miller's next stop, after which he will head to Hawaii, from where he will attend a virtual meeting of defense ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the bloc's partners.
Pedrason said the defense ministry under Subianto has a grand plan of procuring more than 100 superior fighter jets, to add to Indonesia's current fleet of less than 60. "We'll have around 170 fighter jets at the end of it. Extraordinary," Pedrason said.
He did not say when the ministry hopes to achieve that target, but added Indonesia hopes to make available between $9 billion and $11 billion for new weaponry and military equipment over the next 20 years. He said Indonesia was also planning to take soft-loan offers from countries like France, Turkey, China and Russia.
As the deal for the new fighter jets could take years to come to fruition, Indonesia is planning to buy used aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, which can be delivered much sooner. Previous reports said Subianto was interested in purchasing 15 such aircraft from Austria.
But Pedrason said the plan was only a stopgap.
"It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us," he added, citing not just the South China Sea but also Indonesia's older border disputes with neighboring Malaysia and Singapore.
Pedrason said the defense ministry is also planning to buy new models of military transport aircraft Hercules, C130J and C130H, manufactured by Lockheed Martin, as well as more submarines and patrol vessels. He added the ministry was planning to train up to 300 fighter jet pilots and around 100 pilots for Hercules over the next two years.
Additional reporting by Ismi Damayanti.

 

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Btw how much the chance Indonesia can acquired Rafale+Typhoon+F15/F18 at the same time?
 

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"It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us," he added, citing not just the South China Sea but also Indonesia's older border disputes with neighboring Malaysia and Singapore.
Interesting comment from Padroson, "urgent" and "red dot"....
AFAIK he is kinda scholar thing, Doctor of Philosophy - Political Science and Master of Art - Security Study. Have wrote various paper/Journal as well. Something must be triggering him, I know they can be sneaky, annoying sometime but most of it happen below radar. And for some reason he said it on paper and mentioned red dot 🤣 🤣

Btw how much the chance Indonesia can acquired Rafale+Typhoon+F15/F18 at the same time?
100% if we going to buy 2 of each type :p:p😄😄
 

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i don't know why but this situation is kinda funny to me.....at the moment Indonesia be like
ID : please give me F-35
US : Nah
ID (proceeding Rafale deal)
US : I'l give you F-15 and F-18
ID : now we are talking
okay but seriously with this many offer i wonder how Prabowo handle this? don't tell me he's gonna to implement our country's motto like my previous joke because if that really true it's not funny anymore and we can call our air force "Ace combat air force" with so many kind of fighters
 

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Interesting comment from Padroson, "urgent" and "red dot"....
AFAIK he is kinda scholar thing, Doctor of Philosophy - Political Science and Master of Art - Security Study. Have wrote various paper/Journal as well. Something must be triggering him, I know they can be sneaky, annoying sometime but most of it happen below radar. And for some reason he said it on paper and mentioned red dot 🤣 🤣


100% if we going to buy 2 of each type :p:p😄😄


He want more than 100 advance model fighter and he want to complete it during his term or at least what have been ordered some have been completed, that's mean he must to bought newly built fighter. He can't count on KFX because the term number two (his term), the best bet is he must ordered two type of fighter from two big companies whose their assembly lines is still going on, that's mean European and US. And he is lobbying hard US, and finally got nod something acceptable according to his standard of advanced model either F18/15, and at the same time he Will ordered around 36-48 Rafale depend on negotiation before the end of this year. Mean at least he need between 40 to 60 more fighter, the best bet is Super Hornet as they are more cheaper than F15 and had more rugged record along with recent model is "a Beast".


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1. Typhoon only for stop gap measure.

2. And who is the donatur here?

3. Bhineka Tunggal Ika at highest level of implementation
 

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If you're going for the F-15, the retraining for F-16 ground crew wouldn't be too difficult as they both share a lot of components.

Most importantly, F-16's and F-15's can share engines.

I bet the end result will be win win solution, LoL.
 

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Typhoon with strict roles just interceptor can have very low operational cost. They will not flying that much compared to jets doing air patrol. But training will need sims or at abroad.

Same assumption also can be done with sukhois as new sims get online.
Simulators can help in intrument familiriazation (new pilot) and features/how it works for more advance pilot. It also use to introduce new systems/upgrade. No matter how crappy or oldies one fighter is the pilot itself must ace it. And to ace it its going to take actual fly hours. Simulator and not doing patrol can help but it wont count much for it to be said Very Low.
to be honest im actually started to asking myself, if someone like US calibre know if their customer really had the money to buy all of that or they just bluffing ??? they would know right ?
Why should they worry? The money will come from them, they going to inject it to their own companies/economy while issuing loan to us. If we said that we going to pay cash then they should be worry 😁 😁
 

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Literally if you don't want the F-16V then the next best thing is to get F-15's. You'd still have a heavy fighter that's double engined and can conduct both ground and maritime strikes while still having access to a common pool of parts and weapons without being a burden on logistics.

There's inherently ZERO reason to get the Typhoon.
 

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About that 100 more fighter, I just can't take it seriously.
 

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Ok so let's revive the old Formil tradition, who want to take the bet about which one will came and deal? The bet is running naked or not?

1. Dassault Rafale
2. Eurofighter Typhoon
3. F 15 Eagle
4. F 18 Super Hornet

Your bet?
 

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