Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

Lack of feature yes, but unless we want''t to conduct expeditionary operation, aerial refuelling for it is non issue for condition. already have hundreds of unsinkable aircraft carrier, much simpler (not to mention cheaper) that way.

But aerial refueling can make it "mondar mandir" longer instead of going back to airfield and wasting time.

(AEW&C can still working and operate their radar when doing air refuelling right?)

 

[FPXAllen]

already have hundreds of unsinkable aircraft carrier

This reminds me about Indonesia's interest to buy amphibious planes a couple of years ago. What happened to it?

I vaguely recall that either the Beriev Be-200 or Bombardier CL-415 was chosen instead of Japan's US-2 (which was actually my "gacoan" - not that anyone asking about it, though ) but I haven't heard anything more about it ever since. We do need this kind of planes if we truly want to develop our remote outer islands as our defence outposts.

Since it seems that now we're moving away from Russian techs, one can dream to see this beauty with TNI-AU or TNI-AL markings and liveries one day.

 

[Captain Wales]

But aerial refueling can make it "mondar mandir" longer instead of going back to airfield and wasting time.

(AEW&C can still working and operate their radar when doing air refuelling right?)

its better to change shift with new aircraft than make a single jet do "mondar mandir".
its mean less wear to the aircraft and it also give chance for the crew to have a rest on the ground.

 

[deadlast]

CL-415

One CL-415EAF & six CL-515 actually, due 2024.

Longview Aviation Capital, and its subsidiary Viking Air of North Saanich, BC, reached a deal to provide the Republic of Indonesia’s Ministry of Defense with seven aerial-firefighting aircraft, including one CL-415EAF and six new-production CL-515 airplanes. The firm purchase agreement is only conditional on Longview’s board approving the CL-515 production launch program, which is on schedule and now supported by the agreement to deliver six such aircraft to Indonesia by 2024.

https://www.wingsmagazine.com/indonesia-to-receive-worlds-first-cl-515-in-seven-aircraft-deal-with-longview/

 

[Umigami]

its better to change shift with new aircraft than make a single jet do "mondar mandir".
its mean less wear to the aircraft and it also give chance for the crew to have a rest on the ground.

Then we need to buy significant number of them. Not just two.

 

[FPXAllen]

One CL-415EAF & six CL-515 actually, due 2024.


https://www.wingsmagazine.com/indonesia-to-receive-worlds-first-cl-515-in-seven-aircraft-deal-with-longview/

Ahh, okay. Thanks for the info.

Since they're meant for firefighting - built with large internal water tank and pipelines, I assume - I don't think that they're suitable for other roles unless those firefighting equipments are easy to remove.

Oh well.

 

[Gundala]

Dun...dun...dun...dun sad moment for our eastern weapons indeed

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oh boy their fans are not gonna like this

Eh? For real? Well I say if we have finalized the deal for 2 sqa of F15EX then by all means sell those Russians. 36 Rafale and existing platforms upgrade can hold the numbers upa for a bit while we strive for getting total of 2 sqa of F15EX. And if that 6 Eagle EX really arriving this year its even better.

As for Mi35, well its at the end of her life cycle anyway so its a good riddance as in better to sell it then to do MLU for it.

 

[Gundala]

Turkish influence is quite real lately here, but still they are less than what French and US can offer and committed so far. Btw, there is motion for Indonesia foreign policy including policy to procure major Arms to lean toward the US, French and UK (as Big Five ) along with other their allies including Japan, Germany and South Korea and at the same time trying to ditch Russian and China option altogether if it can be done. In short, Indonesia Will be more willing to bought stuff from Ukraine compared to Russia even when CATSAA thing is not in place (as there is rumour, Air Force likely to refurbished some expired Russian Missiles with Ukraine solution)

I second this.... kyknya dah mlai...

 

[Madokafc]

dang I miss that one. When that happen? Whose pushing it?

I just can say some insider words...

Happened not long during MoD sudden visit to China, there is some words of their high top brass is quite disturbing the MoD and when he is fast forwarding his concern toward Indonesia MoFA and required some clarification from the other side , their is quite good at wrecked the nerve of our whole Diplomatic channel there. Then MoD put the motion of China attitude toward cabinet meeting and he is clearly got the green light from most of the cabinet member to Made some "urgent" preparation. Chinese side got triggered about Indonesia inquiries question and they put the stand off stage at around Natuna Sea since last year.

 

[Umigami]

I just can say some insider words...

Happened not long during MoD sudden visit to China, there is some words of their high top brass is quite disturbing the MoD and when he is fast forwarding his concern toward Indonesia MoFA and required some clarification from the other side , their is quite good at wrecked the nerve of our whole Diplomatic channel there. Then MoD put the motion of China attitude toward cabinet meeting and he is clearly got the green light from most of the cabinet member to Made some "urgent" preparation. Chinese side got triggered about Indonesia inquiries question and they put the stand off stage at around Natuna Sea since last year.

I'm sorry, can you fix your writing?
I don't really get what you're trying to say.

 

[Ravager]

I'm sorry, can you fix your writing?
I don't really get what you're trying to say.

In essence ...what mado trying to say . Their side basically either dismiss our concern about their belligerent standing in SCS alltogether and put a tough attitude or simply voice some serious taunting or patronizing question about our " Neutral " standing and in return prompt our own tougher standing too to as a silent reply and warning sign .
Or to sum it all ....things are starting to look grim

 

[FPXAllen]

Or to sum it all ....things are starting to look grim

Well, some says that it's not a matter of "if" but "when" - and I tend to agree with them.

It's not really a surprise though. They never respected our stance whatever they say otherwise. The way they keep sending their "fishing" boats, coast guard ships as well as their "surveyors" into our EEZ and - especially the latter - far inside our own territorial waters really says a lot about this.

It's just too bad that we don't have hydrophone networks to monitor our maritime borders, because if we do, we can at least know how many of their subs (as well as other countries' subs) that currently cruising freely within our waters.

 

[Tomcat101]

it looks like from @Defenceview and @forummerahputih source it's almost confirm (and most likely) our AEW&C platform will be from SAAB

this one is from @forummerahputih today
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and this one is from defenceview
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Is defenceview can be trusted? He said PKR 10514 can't accommodate Dauphin in its hangar which does not make sense considering Dauphin is a light helo,
Or is it true that it can't accommodate it?

 

[Umigami]

LOL..
buying J20 instead?
Using turkish facility to make f16 for us?
Rafale capable of 2.2 mach?
F35 is as fast as J20?

WTH she's talking about?!!!

 

[trishna_amrta]

This reminds me about Indonesia's interest to buy amphibious planes a couple of years ago. What happened to it?

I vaguely recall that either the Beriev Be-200 or Bombardier CL-415 was chosen instead of Japan's US-2 (which was actually my "gacoan" - not that anyone asking about it, though ) but I haven't heard anything more about it ever since. We do need this kind of planes if we truly want to develop our remote outer islands as our defence outposts.

The US-2 is the most expensive flying boat

Notice how slow it can fly. Very impressive plane indeed

its better to change shift with new aircraft than make a single jet do "mondar mandir".
its mean less wear to the aircraft and it also give chance for the crew to have a rest on the ground.

EXACTLY

Then we need to buy significant number of them. Not just two.

Operating a complex platform such as AEW&C doesn't mean we only buy the plane along with all the necessary spare parts, tools, and infrastructure. But also training the crew, both ground crew & flight crew. And all those require not only a lot of but also time. Which is why it is best to procure in small number for overall familiarization and to get further understanding & know-how of what work and what doesn't.

 

[trishna_amrta]

In essence ...what mado trying to say . Their side basically either dismiss our concern about their belligerent standing in SCS alltogether and put a tough attitude or simply voice some serious taunting or patronizing question about our " Neutral " standing and in return prompt our own tougher standing too to as a silent reply and warning sign .
Or to sum it all ....things are starting to look grim

Well, some says that it's not a matter of "if" but "when" - and I tend to agree with them.

It's not really a surprise though. They never respected our stance whatever they say otherwise. The way they keep sending their "fishing" boats, coast guard ships as well as their "surveyors" into our EEZ and - especially the latter - far inside our own territorial waters really says a lot about this.

I'm guessing we have at most 2 - 3 years before opening of hostility. Which is why I'm extremely concern with our gov't move with all those cashless payment and in some cases forcing it. In the event of hostility, our extremely vulnerable infrastructure will be hit first, which mean power distribution and financial sector. This is also the main reason why has begun hardening their utility infrastructure and maintain vigilant of the cyber domain (Multi Domain Warfare)

 

[trishna_amrta]

It's just too bad that we don't have hydrophone networks to monitor our maritime borders, because if we do, we can at least know how many of their subs (as well as other countries' subs) that currently cruising freely within our waters.

If only things were that simple in littoral underwater warfare. Unfortunately it's not only far more complex, but also far more unpredictable compare to blue water operation.

 

[trishna_amrta]

LOL..
buying J20 instead?
Using turkish facility to make f16 for us?
Rafale capable of 2.2 mach?
F35 is as fast as J20?

WTH she's talking about?!!!

Which is why I neither follow let alone subscribing to her channel. Her opinion is as weird as that AH guy tweet

 

[FPXAllen]

Notice how slow it can fly. Very impressive plane indeed

Oh yes! That is one of main reasons why I - literally - fall in love with that aircraft. It's also still capable to land and take off in rough sea condition (up to 3 m wave height) whereas the Beriev can only deal with 1,2 m wave.

Furthermore, it uses the same engine family as C-130J (Rolls-Royce AE2100).

Expensive indeed, but I still believe its capabilities will be highly sought after in here.

 

[FPXAllen]

I'm guessing we have at most 2 - 3 years before opening of hostility. Which is why I'm extremely concern with our gov't move with all those cashless payment and in some cases forcing it. In the event of hostility, our extremely vulnerable infrastructure will be hit first, which mean power distribution and financial sector. This is also the main reason why has begun hardening their utility infrastructure and maintain vigilant of the cyber domain (Multi Domain Warfare)

Well, we have the same concern then. It seems that everybody and their pets here are now making their own cashless payment. The "latah" culture here is still alive and widespread, apparently.