Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Captain Wales]

Any info of which type of aircraft for the Hawk replacement? FA-50?

original plan (at least on AF side) they gonna be replace in 2024-2025 with F-16. with additional FA-50 for new LIFT squadron.

but now i'm not so sure what replace it, 08 really unpredictable.

 

[NEKO]

Excerpt from Kebijakan umum pertahanan negara 2020 - 2024.pdf

Dan terakhir Kesembilan, Pembangunan wilayah pertahanan yang bertumpu pada pulau-pulau besar
secara mandiri, dengan penyiapan cadangan pangan, air, energi dan sarana prasarana nasional lainnya
guna mewujudkan pusat pusat logistik pertahanan yang tersebar di seluruh NKRI.

Nice, especially Kalimantan.

Sesuai amanat Undang-Undang No 15 Tahun 2006 BPK RI bertugas melaksanakan pemeriksaan terhadap seluruh laporan keuangan Kementerian/ Lembaga termasuk diantaranya adalah Laporan Keuangan Kemhan/TNI.

BPK is auditing MoD and the military, some of us think previously that BPK is not auditing them. Idk how good their audit.

Mengenai "Visi & Misi" ada banyak, yang menarik:
- Indonesian ADIZ , (Batam; Tanjung Pinang; Natuna FLIR).
- Satellite monitoring and sensing (Not sure if they are gonna use commercial or gonna launch new satellite).
- About new capital city in East Kalimantan.
- Cyber stuff (IMO about cyber thingy in both military and non-military in Indonesia still...
-Interoperability... supported by network centric warfare... using satellite.
-Creation of CBRN-E (mabes level)
-TNI AD will operates missile(but what kind of missile tho?) in Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan.
-TNI AL will buy Frigate, corvette, KCR. Also SSM with minimum 150 km range, short and medium SAM. ASW plane (P-8?). In the next point they will buy submarine, LPD, Hospital ship (LPD - BRS), oiler, AT ship(?).
-TNI AU want AGM with 100 km+ range, awacs, MRTT, medium and long range SAM.
-They want to put missiles in strategic straits, coastal missile defence and surveillance in those straits.

What MoD want: carl gustav, stinger, 32 UH60, 4 V22, 3 UAV, 5 scorpene, 4 U214, 2 type 310 (n310?), 16 Frigate, multirole warship ASW (?), 2 ground coastal missile defence system, 36 Rafale, 15 F15 EX, 15 C310j, 2 MRTT, 30 GCI.
PLN 2020-2024 : $21 billion.

There is no permanent planning in the Indonesian procurement process, only permanent change and interest

Mungkin itu juga bagian dari kearifan lokal.

 

[NEKO]

Excerpt from Kebijakan umum pertahanan negara 2020 - 2024.pdf

Dan terakhir Kesembilan, Pembangunan wilayah pertahanan yang bertumpu pada pulau-pulau besar
secara mandiri, dengan penyiapan cadangan pangan, air, energi dan sarana prasarana nasional lainnya
guna mewujudkan pusat pusat logistik pertahanan yang tersebar di seluruh NKRI.

Nice, especially Kalimantan.

Sesuai amanat Undang-Undang No 15 Tahun 2006 BPK RI bertugas melaksanakan pemeriksaan terhadap seluruh laporan keuangan Kementerian/ Lembaga termasuk diantaranya adalah Laporan Keuangan Kemhan/TNI.

BPK is auditing MoD and the military, some of us think previously think that BPK is not auditing them. Idk how good their audit.

Mengenai "Visi & Misi" ada banyak, yang menarik:
- Indonesian ADIZ , (Batam; Tanjung Pinang; Natuna FLIR).
- Satellite monitoring and sensing (Not sure if they are gonna use commercial or gonna launch new satellite).
- About new capital city in East Kalimantan.
- Cyber stuff (IMO about cyber thingy in both military and non-military in Indonesia still...
-Interoperability... supported by network centric warfare... using satellite.
-Creation of CBRN-E (mabes level)
-TNI AD will operates missile(but what kind of missile tho?) in Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan.
-TNI AL will buy Frigate, corvette, KCR. Also SSM with minimum 150 km range, short and medium SAM. ASW plane (P-8?). In the next point they will buy submarine, LPD, Hospital ship (LPD - BRS), oiler, AT ship(?).
-TNI AU want AGM with 100 km+ range, awacs, MRTT, medium and long range SAM.
-They want to put missiles in strategic straits, coastal missile defence and surveillance in those straits.

What MoD want: carl gustav, stinger, 32 UH60, 4 V22, 3 UAV, 5 scorpene, 4 U214, 2 type 310 (n310?), 16 Frigate, multirole warship ASW (?), 2 ground coastal missile defence system, 36 Rafale, 15 F15 EX, 15 C310j, 2 MRTT, 30 GCI.
PLN 2020-2024 : $21 billion.

Mungkin itu juga bagian dari kearifan lokal.

Mfw I realized there is english translation in the PDF, tau gitu copy paste yang english tadi.

 

[Lordimperator]

15 F15

1 squadron then

 

[Gundala]

BPK is auditing MoD and the military, some of us think previously that BPK is not auditing them. Idk how good their audit.

They do, it does not the same as other institution but they do audit the inventory. So called "alutsista rahasia/strategic" is also audited. Just dont think that it would be the same procedure as any other institution as the are few laws preventing certain budget related to certain things to be audited. It marely just to match what their reported (quantity) to state/govt but in some cases not what their use it for. Ibu Sri is pretty "galak" in this kinda thing.

 

[Umigami]

Nusantara Evening Journal on Instagram: "Kenapa harus F-16V? Kenapa harus Gripen? Pada Tahun 2018-2019, kita semua tahu, bahwa KSAU kala itu, Marsekal Udara Yuyu Sutisna menyatakan bahwa akan mengajukan pembelian 2 Skuadron F-16 Viper aka Block 72 y

1,221 likes, 270 comments - nusaeveningjournal on June 20, 2021: "Kenapa harus F-16V? Kenapa harus Gripen? Pada Tahun 2018-2019, kita semua tahu, bahwa KSAU kala itu, Marsekal Udara Yuyu Sutisna menyatakan bahwa akan mengajukan pembelian 2 Skuadron F-16 Viper aka Block 72 yang berjumlah 32...

www.instagram.com

I don't know how credible this information but he mentioned LM 32+32 like what Mado said.

For me just pick more Viper, don't bother our Air Force much further please. 08, you already got your beloved Rafale already, so please....

 

[Parry Brima]

Nusantara Evening Journal on Instagram: "Kenapa harus F-16V? Kenapa harus Gripen? Pada Tahun 2018-2019, kita semua tahu, bahwa KSAU kala itu, Marsekal Udara Yuyu Sutisna menyatakan bahwa akan mengajukan pembelian 2 Skuadron F-16 Viper aka Block 72 y

1,221 likes, 270 comments - nusaeveningjournal on June 20, 2021: "Kenapa harus F-16V? Kenapa harus Gripen? Pada Tahun 2018-2019, kita semua tahu, bahwa KSAU kala itu, Marsekal Udara Yuyu Sutisna menyatakan bahwa akan mengajukan pembelian 2 Skuadron F-16 Viper aka Block 72 yang berjumlah 32...

www.instagram.com

I don't know how credible this information but he mentioned LM 32+32 like what Mado said.

For me just pick more Viper, don't bother our Air Force much further please. 08, you already got your beloved Rafale already, so please....

"Don't bother our Air Force?" F-15 has been in TNI-AU wishlist long before he became MoD. They prefer F-15 than Viper.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1358244730820124673

Saab offering us production license for Gripen E? Wow!

Many military enthusiast claim that Lockheed Martin will offer us production license if we buy many Vipers. Well, it doesn't seem to be the case.

This sounds like production license that Turkey got back in the 1990's. If we're serious about building our military industry we should seriously consider this.

edit : Gripen E not Viper E

 

[Parry Brima]

I'm getting ahead of myself here, but it'd be nice if by let's say 2035 we're able to produce double engine (through KF-21) and single engine (through Gripen) by ourselves

edit : typo, I accidentally typed Viper instead of Gripen

 

[Mandala]

PUBLISHED: 20 JUNE 2021
LAST UPDATED: 20 JUNE 2021



Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft

High on the wish-list of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force) has been the acquisition of tanker aircraft.

Recently, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) was granted permission to assign a budget of USD 700 million for such an acquisition. Top candidate is the Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT).

As far as Scramble Magazine knows, no contract has been signed yet. So it is still very early in the process, same as with the Dassault Rafale deal that was revealed recently.

Read more:

Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft

Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft High on the wish-list of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force) has been the acquisition of tanker aircraft...

www.scramble.nl

 

[Lordimperator]

Saab offering us production license for Viper E? Wow!

Do you mean Gripen? Saab quite generous, when brazil ordered only 36 gripen e they gave them gripen production license too.

 

[Umigami]

"Don't bother our Air Force?" F-15 has been in TNI-AU wishlist long before he became MoD. They prefer F-15 than Viper.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1358244730820124673

Saab offering us production license for Viper E? Wow!

Many military enthusiast claim that Lockheed Martin will offer us production license if we buy many Vipers. Well, it doesn't seem to be the case.

This sounds like production license that Turkey got back in the 1990's. If we're serious about building our military industry we should seriously consider this.

Gust of wind

 

[Van Kravchenko]

I'm getting ahead of myself here, but it'd be nice if by let's say 2035 we're able to produce double engine (through KF-21) and single engine (through Gripen) by ourselves

edit : typo, I accidentally typed Viper instead of Gripen

Only happend if Saab give huge amount of "Sogokan" to the stakeholder.

Even Gripik order for sweden is troublesome, this fighter didn't has so much future like its counterparts.

If they do want F16. Just go ahead.
We already have so much type of fighter, adding more willn't make much problem .

 

[Parry Brima]

Do you mean Gripen? Saab quite generous, when brazil ordered only 36 gripen e they gave them gripen production license too.

Yes, Gripen E, sorry typo

Indeed, Rafale + F-15EX are enough in terms of quality fighters. We're equipped with $79 bil warchest now. If there's production license opportunity for fighter opening up, we simply have to take it.

 

[Umigami]

PUBLISHED: 20 JUNE 2021
LAST UPDATED: 20 JUNE 2021



Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft

High on the wish-list of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force) has been the acquisition of tanker aircraft.

Recently, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) was granted permission to assign a budget of USD 700 million for such an acquisition. Top candidate is the Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT).

As far as Scramble Magazine knows, no contract has been signed yet. So it is still very early in the process, same as with the Dassault Rafale deal that was revealed recently.

Read more:

Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft

Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft High on the wish-list of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force) has been the acquisition of tanker aircraft...

www.scramble.nl

Around 2-3 MRTT ?

 

[R4duga]

im kinda against gripen offer , while in the brazilian case they've got a experienced and far more sophisticated aerospace industries to support SAAB transfer of knowledge portofolio (Embraer) , im on pessimistic side with PT DI .

im still siding with the F-16 as a base workhorse for TNI fighter .

SAAB may try to offer indonesia another product , we previously had a plan to procure brahmos as a coastal defense , RBS-15 can try to push their participation effort in that offer and perhaps help on our cruise missile development .

 

[GraveDigger388]

Though our offer involved 36 V and 36 Block 52.... to put into Kohanudnas squadron

Ooohhh please let Kohanudnas have their own fighters. USANG Indonesia.

 

[Ravager]

If we get a RBS -15 , AT-4/NLAW and bundled with griffen E's licension . Then i could setled for less ....
Between today achievement and tomorrow sustainment condition we all know what to pick .
But before that ..... Total overhaul of PT.DI was a must !!

 

[R4duga]

If we get a RBS -15 , AT-4/NLAW and bundled with griffen E's licension . Then i could setled for less ....
Between today achievement and tomorrow sustainment condition we all know what to pick .
But before that ..... Total overhaul of PT.DI was a must !!

*Carl gustaf / NLAW bundled .

we should try to move on from disposable AT rocket , its actually quite funny , i don't see anypoint for having more than 2-3 personnel for disposable AT rocket like this C90 Instalaza .

unless it was reloadable like carl gustaf , then the extra personnel is welcomed as a loader for the recoiless rifle .

 

[trishna_amrta]

Excerpt from Kebijakan umum pertahanan negara 2020 - 2024.pdf

Mfw I realized there is english translation in the PDF, tau gitu copy paste yang english tadi.

And where is the link to the source original file

 

[wekiweko]

There are some of them who think Singapore is Israel in Asean.

well they are in a way