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Somehow i didn't like too much about long stroke gas piston. Overall, SS2 is good rifle while not dirty. Its design still prone to dirt and mud

Sadly the producen careless about such ambidextrous thing.

Nah, we are simple. They (PINDAD) Made local Made standard issue rifle while maintain price tag issue via a vis modern design in balance and gain enough profit. The more higher standard assault rifle being requested by special units is just imported them directly from aboard.
 

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Nah, we are simple. They (PINDAD) Made local Made standard issue rifle while maintain price tag issue via a vis modern design in balance and gain enough profit. The more higher standard assault rifle being requested by special units is just imported them directly from aboard.
What you said were one of many reason why such kind of product didn't gain International market.

It's such a pity while Pindad capable to build such better rifle (although imported barrel & bolt), mention it Bren 2 or Scar they stuck with local market with little to none innovation.

Ambidextrous & modular is international market nowadays. If any, optical sight also make huge profit. For military industry.
 

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What you said were one of many reason why such kind of product didn't gain International market.

It's such a pity while Pindad capable to build such better rifle (although imported barrel & bolt), mention it Bren 2 or Scar they stuck with local market with little to none innovation.

Ambidextrous & modular is international market nowadays. If any, optical sight also make huge profit. For military industry.

If they want to get broader market it would be better to trying US and European civillian market for hunting rifle and hand gun. Those are more profitable (of course if you can offered excellent products and after Sales support) compared to assault rifle for military purpose
 

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But now it has larger driver optics = larger weak points, no?
Just try to hit that thing with automatic rifle at range 500m or beyond.

Score a hit, you must be a marksman. In tank to tank battle the one who can hit enemy first 80% is the winner.
Clearly, hit the optics isn't best option. The center of the tank is what you want when you peek through gun scope.
 

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Just try to hit that thing with automatic rifle at range 500m or beyond.

Score a hit, you must be a marksman. In tank to tank battle the one who can hit enemy first 80% is the winner.
Clearly, hit the optics isn't best option. The center of the tank is what you want when you peek through gun scope.
NTW or SPR will...
 

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NTW or SPR will...
14.5 mm above i believe still capable to make damage in such sight. as i mention above you must be 500m away from the tank since 500m is best kill radius for a tank.

this task isn't as easy as what we can see at video game, and there's not much population of such big caliber sniper weapon out there. rather than use sniper to disarm tank optics, its much cheaper to use ATGM to Kill a tank.

while nowadays you can watch some footage of how rare tank periscope is damaged, unless the turret were flown away from its hull.

and please take a note, much better vision you got in a tank (latest generation of thermal, night, IR, vision) combined with automation target tracing you have much than what most of 🇺🇦 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 tanks have today.

sadly our leopard RI still has second generation of thermal and Night vision, and still shared among commander and gunner. is it bad ?
mostly not, since nearby tank threat (🇲🇾) has worst condition (gun , armor, ammunition, sight).

again in tank to tank (also can be read armor to armor) battle the winner is the one who can see the enemy first.
 

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