Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Var Dracon]

The Turkish Tiger: Indonesia’s Kaplan MT Tanks

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Turns out the AMX-13 Retrofit is called Yonkav 2 (not official name). Also, the writer of the article said it can be seen as a new tank since the hull is new.

 

[FPXAllen]

It's aluminum. Welded and milled.

If it's truly aluminum, then its durability against mine explosion when Pindad tested it was quite an achievement.

In any case, since it's a welded hull, it's something that within our immediate reach to be able to manufacture domestically.

Turns out the AMX-13 Retrofit is called Yonkav 2 (not official name). Also, the writer of the article said it can be seen as a new tank since the hull is new.

I'm not sure if those retrofitted AMX-13 hulls are completely new though. They might've just taken out the frontal lower part and replaced it with a flat, welded section, but unless they publicized this themselves, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

 

[deadlast]

The Turkish Tiger: Indonesia’s Kaplan MT Tanks

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Turns out the AMX-13 Retrofit is called Yonkav 2 (not official name). Also, the writer of the article said it can be seen as a new tank since the hull is new.

Only the rear part of the hull and the roadwheels are still part of the original AMX-13, the front hull modified to accept new engine & transmission, while the drivetrain, suspension, whole turret with it's fire control and gun are replaced.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503679967867068420

 

[Ruhnama]

In one sense, moving back the troops to base them in their own home provinces may proves beneficial for their respective regional defense, especially since they will surely know their own 'turf' better compared to, for example, a Jakartan who got himself based in Merauke. However, I still think that some rotations or "tour of duty" are still needed to spread the knowledge among some, if not all troops.

On the other hand, especially regarding the soldiers' welfare, I still feel that it's still too much to ask that each and every one of our grunts won't have to think that spending 1.7 million IDR is something akin to choose between feeding their family or letting them starve for some shiny new uniforms anymore. This is especially true if the whole of our military budget and its detailed allocations are still beyond reach of our anti-corruption commission.

it is very good righte they know their own home, culture, language, custom also environment condisiton, weather etc even maybe some "hidden gem and Instagram able place" eh kidding. But this own region knowledge for locals incomparable to outsider. But... what I concerned is the like Teritorijalna Odbrane (TO) of Yugoslavia. They are trained, known their own region and republics, good equipment, highly motivated to defense their own homeland, very know abou every inch their land but... when chaos, political turbulance happen the central JNA army is overwhelmed by them. like TO became a separtis republics armed forces

there's a pretty ample space between the outer section and the main hull monocoque/unibody, definitely have a big potential to installed an anti HEAT/Shaped Charge modular armor.

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let's hope the ZAHA next for marine corps.

if Marine get more money to buy them. second hand AAV maybe good for stopgap.
for this Kaplan MT (that i already waiting the development since 2014) hope orders more and maybe get cheaper to get BEP

 

[Anmdt]

Joint as in 50:50 ownership of the IP?

Unsure about the ratios (that ratio would rather govern the profit shares) but that would be proportional to their investments.

In the end, both parties hold the license rights and are able tomarket the platform independently and carry out any kind of modifications they desire. Both of the parties own the platforms.

I am unsure if they had gentleman's agreement on not bidding an offer against each other, and if they have shared the marketing regions.

 

[Mandala]

Lol. Someone removed my watermark from my above photo. It should have j/a/a/s watermark.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

The Turkish Tiger: Indonesia’s Kaplan MT Tanks

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Turns out the AMX-13 Retrofit is called Yonkav 2 (not official name). Also, the writer of the article said it can be seen as a new tank since the hull is new.

Never let Wargaming know this tank existed, they will make Tier 8 premium tank on their store.

 

[Mandala]

Never let Wargaming know this tank existed, they will make Tier 8 premium tank on their store.

They already did. Lol.

 

[Lordimperator]

Both of the parties own the platforms.

how about Turkey Army? will it be using it as M48 replacement?

And may ask regarding Turkey Hisar SAM, Are there any joint development with Czech gov?

 

[NEKO]

and if they have shared the marketing regions

IIRC Turkey and Indonesia will have different marketing region, Indonesia : Asia (and America I think), Turkey : Europe and Africa.
Not sure if its just a rumour or legit news.

 

[Anmdt]

how about Turkey Army? will it be using it as M48 replacement?

they haven't settled with the requirements or if they did they are going to announce it soon. Ismail Demir's statement on domestic turret is an indication too.
Kaplan as-is doesn't satisfy certain requirements by Navy / Land forces. First they need to develop a turret probably both for 105-120 for each of the users.

And may ask regarding Turkey Hisar SAM, Are there any joint development with Czech gov?

That was once rumored but nothing came out from there (probably just rumors as a result of delegates meeting), Poland goes with British, Czechs have got Israeli missiles.

 

[NEKO]

First they need to develop a turret probably both for 105-120

Is there such concrete plan?
Any time table available?

 

[Anmdt]

IIRC Turkey and Indonesia will have different marketing region, Indonesia : Asia (and America I think), Turkey : Europe and Africa.
Not sure if its just a rumour or legit news.

Why would FNSS gave up from the Asian market while having an established partner in Malaysia, considering they are likely to be a user?
And while possible future orders %80+ from the Asia for such a medium weight platform, to be honest i see no hope against Germans in the Europe and Africa is like "give me precious 4x4s and 6x6s"?

I mean it is pointless to discuss this or make comments on this as long as the partnership continues. Even if FNSS wins a bid they will share an important portion of the work-load with Pindad.

 

[Anmdt]

Is there such concrete plan?

Ismail Demir (President of defense industry presidency) has just announced it today, a domestic (Turkish) turret will be developed for Kaplan, that wasn't just for exports.

 

[Lordimperator]

Czechs have got Israeli missiles.

Thanks for the infos,
because quite surprised there is a rumour like some user posted here

military_buzz on Instagram: "Jadi yg ditawarkan CSG adalah? #makinbingung #membingungkan #pertahananudara #pertahanan"

641 likes, 51 comments - military_buzz on March 13, 2022: "Jadi yg ditawarkan CSG adalah? #makinbingung #membingungkan #pertahananudara #pertahanan".

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similiar like HISAR SAM on Tatra Platform

 

[Anmdt]

Thanks for the infos,
because quite surprised there is a rumour like some user posted here

military_buzz on Instagram: "Jadi yg ditawarkan CSG adalah? #makinbingung #membingungkan #pertahananudara #pertahanan"

641 likes, 51 comments - military_buzz on March 13, 2022: "Jadi yg ditawarkan CSG adalah? #makinbingung #membingungkan #pertahananudara #pertahanan".

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similiar like HISAR SAM on Tatra Platform

The launcher, carrier and CC units are Mercedes 6x6 trucks for the Hisar series.

Looks like an edited picture since possibly they may offer it on an alternative platform like Kamaz / Tatra for the export customers and Tatra is being like "we are providing the launcher platform for certain customers"

And possibly this is the base picture from earlier tests of the Hisar-A from years ago. They did even edited-removed the Turkish Flags on the canisters.

 

[Mandala]

KAPLAN MT Tankları Endonezya`ya Teslim Edildi

FNSS tarafından milli imkanlarla geliştirilen KAPLAN MT Orta Sınıf Tank, bugün düzenlenen törenle Endonezya`ya teslim edildi. Törende Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Millî Savunma Bakanlığı temsilcileri, FNSS Genel Müdür Nail KURT, PT PINDAD...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[NEKO]

Why would FNSS gave up from the Asian market while having an established partner in Malaysia, considering they are likely to be a user?
And while possible future orders %80+ from the Asia for such a medium weight platform, to be honest i see no hope against Germans in the Europe and Africa is like "give me precious 4x4s and 6x6s"?

I mean it is pointless to discuss this or make comments on this as long as the partnership continues. Even if FNSS wins a bid they will share an important portion of the work-load with Pindad.

Maybe Turkey still get involved to a certain degree during production(produce some parts), although the marketing in Asia will be Indonesian responsibilities.

For example is Philippines medium tank acquisition, Indonesia tried to compete but lost.

 

[R4duga]

Maybe Turkey still get involved to a certain degree during production(produce some parts), although the marketing in Asia will be Indonesian responsibilities.

For example is Philippines medium tank acquisition, Indonesia tried to compete but lost.

their sabrah yet to make an appearance...

we were lost because belgium turret and cannon isn't it ?