Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[NEKO]

MTCR only restrict the ability of members to sell the technology (ToT) or missile with range longer than 300 km.

Its kinda BS rule, only apply to non US vassal state.

What about bri'ish trident and tomahawk (is it limited to less than 300km)? Or Australia future tomahawk and jassm er.

 

[Madokafc]

Its kinda BS rule, only apply to non US vassal state.

What about bri'ish trident and tomahawk (is it limited to less than 300km)? Or Australia future tomahawk and jassm er.

Only apply to non five power vassals state

Pakistan got their Missiles system from China, then Russia give their own version of Iskandar M to Armenian, there is also other example. There is no fair rule in this world

 

[Captain Wales]

Its kinda BS rule, only apply to non US vassal state.

What about bri'ish trident and tomahawk (is it limited to less than 300km)? Or Australia future tomahawk and jassm er.

well the rules say that "delivery systems that can carry a payload of 500 kg" tomahawk carries 450 Kg warhead.

another exception is the MTCR states that it does not supersede prior agreements. british trident were part of an agreement in 1980 (or an extension of US-UK agreement from 1958) which is years before MTCR created (1987).
another thing to note Trident and tomahawk got some british made component

 

[NEKO]

You're in luck. Iran is a non member of MTCR. Do you see that sweet sweet missile range above 300 km owned by Iran in the graphic?

So much variants, sadly we can't make any of such thing for now.
Getting ToT from them will surely resulting a sanctions form US.

 

[Madokafc]

You're in luck. Iran is a non member of MTCR. Do you see that sweet sweet missile range above 300 km owned by Iran in the graphic?

The maps seems misleading greatly, Indonesia here is depicted way too small. Distance between Jakarta to Banda Aceh is at least 2400 km , to Jayapura is more than 4000 km, to Singapore is more than 1200 km, to Kuala Lumpur is 1600 km, to Manila is more than 2,700 km.. sigh

 

[FPXAllen]

The maps seems misleading greatly, Indonesia here is depicted way too small. Distance between Jakarta to Banda Aceh is at least 2400 km , to Jayapura is more than 4000 km, to Singapore is more than 1200 km, to Kuala Lumpur is 1600 km, to Manila is more than 2,700 km.. sigh

Mercator projection's 'flaw'. This projection made landmass area to get stretched more the further they are from the tropics.

The problem with our maps

Mercator’s map inadvertently pumps up the sizes of Europe and North America.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JATOSINT]

Starstreak + Martlet

*300th IB, not 400th

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514927015262298115

 

[FPXAllen]

Starstreak + Martlet

*300th IB, not 400th

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514927015262298115

Call me whatever, but I never realized that we've also acquired Martlet missile.

Does anyone know when we bought it and whether it was in the same acquisition contract with Starstreak or in another one?

 

[Gary]

I'm more curious why they didn't want to wait and buy cruise missile Matador AV-TM 300 by Avibras. They already bought Astros MLRS from the same company.

AV-TM are cruise missile. The army wants ballistic one. Ballistic and cruise missile has their own advantage and disadvantage.

 

[Madokafc]

Starstreak + Martlet

*300th IB, not 400th

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514927015262298115

That's very great move, meanwhile mobile they still retain some lethality firepower and spread it out till the lowest level. Hope their other move to get fire support weapon till company and platoon level can get traction (something like Carl Gustaf M4)

 

[Lordimperator]

Getting ToT from them will surely resulting a sanctions form US

How about Pakistan?

 

[Madokafc]

How about Pakistan?

Pakistan parts must be mostly come from China if we are looking at their level of industrial engineering prowess, and MoD would not be happy to get some Chinese stuff under his stewardship

 

[deadlast]

Call me whatever, but I never realized that we've also acquired Martlet missile.

Does anyone know when we bought it and whether it was in the same acquisition contract with Starstreak or in another one?

There are no open announcement of it either, most likely part of the newer batch of Starstreak order, the one that get the new LML-NG and VAMTAC LTV carrier instead of the earlier batch of LML with Land Rover Defender carrier.

 

[FPXAllen]

There are no open announcement of it either, most likely part of the newer batch of Starstreak order, the one that get the new LML-NG and VAMTAC LTV carrier instead of the earlier batch of LML with Land Rover Defender carrier.

I see. That's probably it then.

So now our army has Starstreak and Martlet for dual/multi purpose man-portable missiles, Mistral, RBS-70, Grom and QW-3 for anti-aircraft, and Javelin, NLAW, and Milan - among some other missiles - for anti-tank.

Interesting...

 

[this is crunch]

There are no open announcement of it either, most likely part of the newer batch of Starstreak order, the one that get the new LML-NG and VAMTAC LTV carrier instead of the earlier batch of LML with Land Rover Defender carrier.

How many Starstreak battery do we have?

 

[deadlast]

How many Starstreak battery do we have?

Ten batteries IIRC.

-------edit----------

Nine battery already operational out of ten battery ordered.

Each battery consist of:

• 1x Command vehicle,
• 1x Missile reload vehicle,
• 1x Logistic/maintenance vehicle,
• 1x CM200 radar vehicle,
• 4x RapidRanger vehicle with Multi-Mission System (MMS)
• 8x RapidRover vehicle with Lightweight Multiple Launcher/New Generation (LML or LML-NG).

https://www.len.co.id/kemhan-mabes-tni-ad-dan-pt-len-industri-lakukan-uji-tembak-rudal-starstreak/

 

[JATOSINT]

I see. That's probably it then.

So now our army has Starstreak and Martlet for dual/multi purpose man-portable missiles, Mistral, RBS-70, Grom and QW-3 for anti-aircraft, and Javelin, NLAW, and Milan - among some other missiles - for anti-tank.

Interesting...

Quite okay for MANPADS as the missile itself require little to no maintenance (CMIIW)

The more important aspect is the commonality/integration of the supporting network and sensors (radar, etc) of these different types of MANPADS

For example, can our Mistral, Starstreak, Grom, etc batteries 'talk' to each other?

 

[Madokafc]

Quite okay for MANPADS as the missile itself require little to no maintenance (CMIIW)

The more important aspect is the commonality/integration of the supporting network and sensors (radar, etc) of these different types of MANPADS

For example, can our Mistral, Starstreak, Grom, etc batteries 'talk' to each other?

What kind of lovely talk you expect them to have ?

Grom is the name of Manpads Missiles we got from Poland, for the set system we got is POPRAD air defense system, their along with MCP Mistral and Starstreak Forceshield is the set air defense system we got so far for the Army. Each of them actually can work in networking condition or working independently, for network system they wanted to have this is still in progress though

 

[JATOSINT]

What kind of lovely talk you expect them to have ?

Grom is the name of Manpads Missiles we got from Poland, for the set system we got is POPRAD air defense system, their along with MCP Mistral and Starstreak Forceshield is the set air defense system we got so far for the Army. Each of them actually can work in networking condition or working independently, for network system they wanted to have this is still in progress though

Yes, talk = share data, etc

 

[FPXAllen]

Quite okay for MANPADS as the missile itself require little to no maintenance (CMIIW)

The more important aspect is the commonality/integration of the supporting network and sensors (radar, etc) of these different types of MANPADS

For example, can our Mistral, Starstreak, Grom, etc batteries 'talk' to each other?

If each of those launchers is part of their own respective system, then we need something like some companies can offer to integrate them all.

But of course, if those missiles are being deployed as separate stand alone, infantry portable launchers, they can talk to each other over long distance just fine - preferably using secure radio system.

Anyway, while having a lot of different infantry portable missile types - both anti-air and anti-armor ones - makes us look like a showroom as well as causing a lot of problems in TNI's logistical department, somehow I think that we can exploit this to our advantage as well. For example, forming a squad-level team consisting of several four-man teams each equipped with different MANPADS. The same can be done with anti-armor missile launchers too.

for network system they wanted to have this is still in progress though

PT Len? Scytalys?

In any case, it's good that TNI top brass have long realized the importance of making different systems work together as one. But truth be told, from a security stanpoint, I believe that we have to develop our own system integration capability in-house in order to reduce our dependence to foreign companies to do it for us.