Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[trishna_amrta]

is ballistic face shield practical in this kind of event ?
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It was a ricocheting bullet that hit his nose. A ballistic helmet won't help. HOWEVER, a ballistic balaclava + eye wear will (both available commercially in open market).

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361212384887541762

 

[R4duga]

ilaga district

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=434818247727571

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Again and again, the scurity forces were caught unprepare against the enemy.


The only oppinion have here, how could they wound and kill trained scurity personel there?

Do they have any marksman or our side lack of accuracy in counterfire ?

My condolence to the fallen, mah their familly be strong and sturdy faith

 

[Nilgiri]

RIP to the fallen and may the injured recover speedily.

 

[Captain Wales]

Again and again, the scurity forces were caught unprepare against the enemy.


The only oppinion have here, how could they wound and kill trained scurity personel there?

Do they have any marksman or our side lack of accuracy in counterfire ?

My condolence to the fallen, mah their familly be strong and sturdy faith

from the picture and video [that were available], i think we kinda under equip to fight there, there is no scope on the rifle, there is no LMG to do suppressive fire (Correct me if i'm wrong here), their movement kinda erratic like they don't know what to do.

do we do something like pre-deployment training before we going there?

*i'm not a professional here, so please correct me if i'm wrong

also rip to the fallen

 

[Djketoprak]

It's so sad to see our soldier have lack equipment in Papua. How about our "Petinggi", is there any evaluation to fullfill our equipment there??

 

[schuimpjes]

Again and again, the scurity forces were caught unprepare against the enemy.


The only oppinion have here, how could they wound and kill trained scurity personel there?

Do they have any marksman or our side lack of accuracy in counterfire ?

My condolence to the fallen, mah their familly be strong and sturdy faith

Actually, when the situation is calm, they can do "terrain denial" By shooting explosive or even air strike to the hills around the base. That is meant to "detter" the enemies to come around the base. So, basically just shooting at nothing. Our troops should try that, hope that work.

At 1:55 they were conducted terrain denials.

 

[trishna_amrta]

The only oppinion have here, how could they wound and kill trained scurity personel there?

Do they have any marksman or our side lack of accuracy in counterfire ?

The non-existence of persistence wide field overhead surveillance. That resulted in our force inability to anticipate any attack and pinpoint the source of the attack (thus unable to direct counterfire)

from the picture and video [that were available], i think we kinda under equip to fight there, there is no scope on the rifle, there is no LMG to do suppressive fire (Correct me if i'm wrong here), their movement kinda erratic like they don't know what to do.

Our force is indeed severely lack of updated weapons & equipments. Although it is nice to have any optic, in jungle warfare they are rarely needed beyond for marksman and sniper.

Erratic movement is just the nature of actual real life combat, including mistook a concealment for cover (like that one guy in the video), its just psychological. Its take time to get your bearing correctly. With experiences, such things will eventually become second nature to move around properly. In this respect having the proper trainings will certainly help, however no amount of training could ever substitute actual real life combat experience.

It's so sad to see our soldier have lack equipment in Papua. How about our "Petinggi", is there any evaluation to fullfill our equipment there??

No comment dech kalau itu, serba salah ntar comment nya.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Actually, when the situation is calm, they can do "terrain denial" By shooting explosive or even air strike to the hills around the base. That is meant to "detter" the enemies to come around the base. So, basically just shooting at nothing. Our troops should try that, hope that work.

At 1:55 they were conducted terrain denials.

Entirely different condition & context. A-stan is a lot of open ground, while our terrain is dominated with mountainous jungle that also ridiculously good for concealment. Furthermore, around here there are plenty of local folks doing their everyday chores and also their livestock

 

[Madokafc]

Actually i don't wanna give much comment, you all should have realized most of the shooting case, kidnap case, and disturbance case is mostly happened in restricted area and not much in wider area just like decade ago. TNI POLRI pretty much had secured much of the hinterland and outland area, in which before the massive infrastructure building is quite lawless and under the criminal occupation ( before they even can hit Freeport mining area and ambush the worker there, that's why Freeport using armored bus and cabs for their worker mobility there in some dangerous area). With infrastructure push, TNI POLRI had building many outpost and doing routine patrol.

This Attack started from the armed criminal burn down mess camp of PT Unggul, one of infrastructure contractor tasked to build bridge and roads around the area. This act prompt the authority forces to going to secure the area and from around the mess infrastructure (hiding in the intact building) some of the Armed criminal doing ambush, and the rest happened. There is almost no other way to push them into extinction' beside infrastructure push and put more troops (Police and army) into their area and secured them by building military outpost, doing routine patrol, "secure" the villager ( you know what i mean) than put more population into the area and build effective government and civillian institution there for long term prospect.

 

[Madokafc]

It's so sad to see our soldier have lack equipment in Papua. How about our "Petinggi", is there any evaluation to fullfill our equipment there??

Our troops are far more better equipped compared before by wide margin, they too have more sound logistic system and distribution but fog of war always happened and government strategy is quite sound to me. They are push more infrastructure even into the hinterland area (some even through more than 3200 meter above the sea mountain and valley, regardless of the cost incurred) , through the infrastructure they put more presence by build more military and Police outpost and doing routine patrol even into the most isolated Highland tribal villages. Surely the enemies would targeting infrastructure companies even massacre the worker, burn the aircraft and trying to seizure frontier airport, killing civillian who worked in Transportation companies or the likes like ojek biker, burn BTS tower , attacking village with active frontier market (pasar basah) and the likes, it is pretty much they want to isolated their activity area and cut communication from the rest of the world.

 

[schuimpjes]

while our terrain is dominated with mountainous jungle that also ridiculously good for concealment.

Spray "Agent Orange" there, to destroy the trees. Just joking wkwk.

 

[JATOSINT]

Actually i don't wanna give much comment, you all should have realized most of the shooting case, kidnap case, and disturbance case is mostly happened in restricted area and not much in wider area just like decade ago. TNI POLRI pretty much had secured much of the hinterland and outland area, in which before the massive infrastructure building is quite lawless and under the criminal occupation ( before they even can hit Freeport mining area and ambush the worker there, that's why Freeport using armored bus and cabs for their worker mobility there in some dangerous area). With infrastructure push, TNI POLRI had building many outpost and doing routine patrol.

This Attack started from the armed criminal burn down mess camp of PT Unggul, one of infrastructure contractor tasked to build bridge and roads around the area. This act prompt the authority forces to going to secure the area and from around the mess infrastructure (hiding in the intact building) some of the Armed criminal doing ambush, and the rest happened. There is almost no other way to push them into extinction' beside infrastructure push and put more troops (Police and army) into their area and secured them by building military outpost, doing routine patrol, "secure" the villager ( you know what i mean) than put more population into the area and build effective government and civillian institution there for long term prospect.

Our troops are far more better equipped compared before by wide margin, they too have more sound logistic system and distribution but fog of war always happened and government strategy is quite sound to me. They are push more infrastructure even into the hinterland area (some even through more than 3200 meter above the sea mountain and valley, regardless of the cost incurred) , through the infrastructure they put more presence by build more military and Police outpost and doing routine patrol even into the most isolated Highland tribal villages. Surely the enemies would targeting infrastructure companies even massacre the worker, burn the aircraft and trying to seizure frontier airport, killing civillian who worked in Transportation companies or the likes like ojek biker, burn BTS tower , attacking village with active frontier market (pasar basah) and the likes, it is pretty much they want to isolated their activity area and cut communication from the rest of the world.

Totally agree, government and security forces made real progress in Papua, both in terms of economy/development and security, just watch Kapola Papua latest interview:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361311682446860293

IMO, at this rate, OPM/KKB would be destroyed (can be accelerated with more economic and infrastructure developments, better equipment for security forces, resolving past human right violations, etc)

 

[Madokafc]

Imho what Indonesia authority doing should be politionil action, not military ones or war or the likes. Government should only trying to uphold the law and order there, build authority power there and giving state presence with all the accompanied perks ascertain that, including civil government services, health care system, education, infrastructure and so on. If there is certain elements put armed resistence to Indonesia state authority the only viable answer is measured action, including "self defense" article for both Police and army forces there including "active defense action" in which had been justified by law and Acts all for protecting the lawful abiding people there and State sovereignty .

 

[Ravager]

Just a reminder ....
All of these " contact " only happened in the highland rural/tribal area ( OPM traditional base support area ) . The rest of papua are chills as fuck like they were used to . They don't even know or even care about lock down or corona virus at all !!

 

[Mejikuhibiu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361137717359255555

Holly shit.. how lucky he was

 

[Mejikuhibiu]

Its not easy to solve papua problems.. it was multidimension problems from cultural,education who not match with their heritage,infrasturctur,etc,etc,etc..
Build infrastucture is just one point, "pejabat lokal" is so corupt.. much more than you thinks..

 

[Umigami]

TNI Tembak 3 Orang Diduga KKB Papua di Puskesmas Intan Jaya

Tiga orang warga Papua ditembak mati oleh prajurit TNI di Puskesmas Sugapa, Kabupaten Intan Jaya. TNI menuding mereka berusaha merampas senjata aparat.

www.cnnindonesia.com

TNI shot 3 KKBs in Public health center for trying to steal their weapon.

 

[Umigami]

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