Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

Any plans to arms our LPD?

Dardo?

 

[NEKO]

Dardo?

LPD will be quite far away from the shores during amphibious ops, you will need a bigger gun for max effect.
We still have 5 otmel 76mm on ahmad yani class.

 

[Lordimperator]

We still have 5 otmel 76mm on ahmad yani class.

That would be nice. But when they are retired? Only 1 has been decommissioned and become land based naval gun for exercise.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453555089029963779

 

[Gary]

LPD will be quite far away from the shores during amphibious ops, you will need a bigger gun for max effect.
We still have 5 otmel 76mm on ahmad yani class.

We're not short of deck gun for the navy, especially that new frigates are coming. Air attack remains the greater threat for the transports.

some of thoseex-Van Speijk otmel should at least arm our bakamla OPV's.

 

[deadlast]

Any plans to arms our LPD?

Dardo?

There are rumor some years back to fit our LPD with Dardo CIWS, nothing come out of that rumor so far and AFAIK, new order for 40mm cannon will be coming from Italy Leonardo for the PC-60m patrol boat, I'm not sure whether they going to fit the same gun on the LPD or not though.

 

[FPXAllen]

you will need a bigger gun for max effect

Ahem...

RM70 Grad Korps Marinir Kini Jadi Senjata Penggebuk dari Tengah Laut

Sampai saat ini belum ada arsenal alutsista yang punya daya hancur semasif MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System), sebagai contoh MLRS RM70 yang dioperasikan Batalyon Roket Resimen Artileri Korps Marinir. Dalam satu kali tembakkan salvo penuh (40 roket kontinyu), maka area seluas tiga hektar bisa...

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After we mounted a 105 mm howitzer on top of our LPD's deck during the (cancelled) Somalia raid, I'd like to imagine that some of the TNI upper brass are thinking to chain a Caesar 155 mm howitzer on top deck just to see if we could (or for shit and giggles, probably)

Either that we're too creative or just "kepepet". Or both

 

[Gary]

Ahem...

RM70 Grad Korps Marinir Kini Jadi Senjata Penggebuk dari Tengah Laut

Sampai saat ini belum ada arsenal alutsista yang punya daya hancur semasif MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System), sebagai contoh MLRS RM70 yang dioperasikan Batalyon Roket Resimen Artileri Korps Marinir. Dalam satu kali tembakkan salvo penuh (40 roket kontinyu), maka area seluas tiga hektar bisa...

www.indomiliter.com

After we mounted a 105 mm howitzer on top of our LPD's deck during the (cancelled) Somalia raid, I'd like to imagine that some of the TNI upper brass are thinking to chain a Caesar 155 mm howitzer on top deck just to see if we could (or for shit and giggles, probably)

Either that we're too creative or just "kepepet". Or both

Turning/modifying the Makassar class into a mini helo carrier with attack helo would be more realistic for me than this kind of experiment.

The accuracy from such method of slaving a land based artillery without sufficient integration to the ship FCR would be absolute shit because of sea conditions.

In fact I wonder why hadn't we try using those helo decks in the LPD's and use them chopper as fire support for the marines. At least it'll be more accurate.

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453555089029963779

Hmm... it looks cool, that's all.
With current technology you cant deceive the other using these kind of paint scheme, we are not in ww1 / ww2 anymore, its easy to determine speed, distance and bearing with modern electronics. Still looks cool tho.

Talking about paint, is it just me or US ship have grey-ish paint while european mostly using white-ish paint?

kepepet

This

Or both

Or this

some of thoseex-Van Speijk otmel should at least arm our bakamla OPV's.

Inter institution hibah?
If Bakamla wants to buy some alutsista (like new otmel) will they do it on their own or through MoD?

 

[FPXAllen]

Turning/modifying the Makassar class into a mini helo carrier with attack helo would be more realistic for me than this kind of experiment.

The accuracy from such method of slaving a land based artillery without sufficient integration to the ship FCR would be absolute shit because of sea conditions.

In fact I wonder why hadn't we try using those helo decks in the LPD's and use them chopper as fire support for the marines. At least it'll be more accurate.

Oh indeed, I concur. While we have the saying of "tiada akar rotan pun jadi" but in this case we certainly have better options now than just slapping some land-based artillery systems on top of our LPD decks. To begin with, those decks were not designed to handle the recoil or hot exhaust gases from the rockets.

However, if we're serious about using ship-based attack helos, soon we will have to seriously consider building some proper helicopter carriers and not just converted LPD.

 

[Gary]

However, if we're serious about using ship-based attack helos, soon we will have to seriously consider building some proper helicopter carriers and not just converted LPD.

Yeah maybe one day.

But I suggest we learn how to defend our ships first, have you seen the recent navy exercise where they try to shoot F-16 with .50 cal ?

 

[FPXAllen]

Yeah maybe one day.

But I suggest we learn how to defend our ships first, have you seen the recent navy exercise where they try to shoot F-16 with .50 cal ?

No, I haven't. I've only saw the exercise where they try to shoot down attacking F-16 with a Bofors 40mm. Manually.

Still, both are not going to be effective to counter sea skimming AShMs.

Simply put, this is just one of so many homeworks for our military that they have to get it done as soon as possible.

 

[Gary]

No, I haven't. I've only saw the exercise where they try to shoot down attacking F-16 with a Bofors 40mm. Manually.

Still, both are not going to be effective to counter sea skimming AShMs.

Simply put, this is just one of so many homeworks for our military that they have to get it done as soon as possible.

So this is our idea of an air attack, I've seen this like multiple time. The last one involve Sukhoi's

THIS......

is the kind of capability we would want to have before we start even talking about purchasing expensive assets like an LHD.

in war transports instead of warships are more prized.

 

[Lordimperator]

Inter institution hibah?
If Bakamla wants to buy some alutsista (like new otmel) will they do it on their own or through MoD?

Bakamla could be armed with naval gun?

 

[NEKO]

So this is our idea of an air attack, I've seen this like multiple time. The last one involve Sukhoi's

Maybe we are simulating air attack from Zero.

 

[Lordimperator]

is the kind of capability we would want to have before we start even talking about purchasing expensive assets like an LHD.

Aster..., hopefully the soon to be our fremm fitted with 32 same like that

 

[NEKO]

Bakamla could be armed with naval gun?

I am not sure myself.
Is there any laws regarding bakamla fighting capability?
Are they allowed to have something like missiles?

 

[Gary]

Aster..., we could get it from FREMM

yeah, but we need time to train and develop our operator to be proficient enough....and it takes time.

I think we need to ask our neighboring RSN and RAN for advice.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453660300570365952

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453660300570365952

Is there list of the ships involved in the exercise?

Indonesia mysteriously mum on China sea incursion - Asia Times

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Is it allowed for foreign vessels to conduct research in our EEZ without permission?
Could it be that we are not protesting but instead doing this exercise?

Is it that our Hand of the king is more powerful compared to MoFA even in the foreign affair matters?
Investment, internal security and even foreign affairs, Hand of the king is so influential indeed.