Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Parry Brima]

Well then, gents, you better start lighting up your incense right now.

siapsiapbakarmenyan

Instead of MHI, you're summoning demons and evil spirits.

 

[Lordimperator]

what a great plan, but still, im still hopping there is a dedicated AAW frigate or destroyer in that list

Well thats why they modified type 31 (topleft) aka ah140 aka iver as dedicated AAW with 56 vls consists of MR and lR SAM

it is the Bergamini class, but still, its a general purpose frigate

The Bergamini class will be ASW type

 

[chiphocks]

Well thats why they modified type 31 (topleft) aka ah140 aka iver as dedicated AAW with 56 vls consists of MR and lR SAM

The Bergamini class will be ASW type

wait, Type 31 or Iver Huitfeldt???
Type 31 is based on Iver Huitfeldt, but it's a different species
if we buy Iver Huitfeldt it does have 56 vls, but Type 31 don't, they say max 32 vls
and the radar, Iver user smart L+APAR while Type 31 use NS110

 

[Lordimperator]

wait, Type 31 or Iver Huitfeldt???
Type 31 is based on Iver Huitfeldt, but it's a different species
if we buy Iver Huitfeldt it does have 56 vls, but Type 31 don't, they say max 32 vls

As i said before its "modified".
The type 31 inspired or based on iver. Becuse the Brit already bought OMT Iver
The export ver of type 31 is AH140,
Which could be tailored as custom needed like in the video below

And why the type 31 limited to 32, cause RN need cheaper frigate as complement of their fleet, and type 31 will play diff roles, so they reduced the vls and added more for the rhib, as u could see based on your attachements 2 in the iver vs 4 rhib in type31.

Iver Denmark used 32 vls mk 41 and 24 mk 56. While ours didnt mention about the vls type being used. The Brit Type 31 still in the discussion between using sea ceptor vls or ffbnw mk41 as the art below

Royal Navy looking to ‘increase lethality’ of Type 31 Frigates

The Type 31 Frigates will be 'fitted for but not with' the MK41 VLS missile launcher should the warships be required to operate the new surface-to-surface missile system.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

 

[chiphocks]

Well thats why they modified type 31 (topleft) aka ah140 aka iver as dedicated AAW with 56 vls consists of MR and lR SAM

The Bergamini class will be ASW type

As i said before its "modified".
The type 31 inspired or based on iver. Becuse the Brit already bought OMT Iver
The export ver of type 31 is AH140,
Which could be tailored as custom needed like in the video below

And why the type 31 limited to 32, cause RN need cheaper frigate as complement of their fleet, and type 31 will play diff roles, so they reduced the vls and added more for the rhib, as u could see based on your attachements 2 in the iver vs 4 rhib in type31.

and based on your video, the design does allowing us to change a few of it's part or area like the mast, and ext

are you telling me that the current AH140 design that originally have max 32 vls is being modified so it could have 56 vls???
what about the radar?
are they gonna user NS 110 like in the original picture or is there any plan to change it to something else?

honestly I'm expecting smart L + APAR, 2 Oerlikon Millennium, Otomelara 76mm super rapid, >= 32 mixed Aster 15 and 30

 

[Lordimperator]

are you telling me that the current AH140 design that originally have max 32 vls is being modified so it could have 56 vls???

Thats what iam trying to tell

what about the radar?
are they gonna user NS 110 like in the original picture or is there any plan to change it to something else?

Dunno no ingfo, i am not an insider or the canteen guard

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476124038938476548

 

[R4duga]

and based on your video, the design does allowing us to change a few of it's part or area like the mast, and ext

are you telling me that the current AH140 design that originally have max 32 vls is being modified so it could have 56 vls???
what about the radar?
are they gonna user NS 110 like in the original picture or is there any plan to change it to something else?

honestly I'm expecting smart L + APAR, 2 Oerlikon Millennium, Otomelara 76mm super rapid, >= 32 mixed Aster 15 and 30

if you see the video, the babcock spoke person at 3:49 Timestamp indeed said that the forward 40mm gun placement can be reconfigured with additional VLS instead.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476124038938476548

Myanmar 1 kilo from India, after coup, 1 ming class from China, hmmm.

 

[FPXAllen]

Myanmar 1 kilo from India, after coup, 1 ming class from China, hmmm.

Soon after the next coup, they'll receive a refurbished Collins class sub from Australia.

One submarine per coup.

 

[Umigami]

Myanmar 1 kilo from India, after coup, 1 ming class from China, hmmm.

Soon after the next coup, they'll receive a refurbished Collins class sub from Australia.

One submarine per coup.

Why India gave them?
They able to get military aid from China and India at the same time?
I don't understand.

 

[chiphocks]

if you see the video, the babcock spoke person at 3:49 Timestamp indeed said that the forward 40mm gun placement can be reconfigured with additional VLS instead.

yes, i'm just curious about the specs
most of the news that i've read is unclear about it, and almost all of them didn't say anything about it radar
in fact, i just figure out that this ship can be adjusted based on customer requirement by today
and still can't confirm whether PAL is doing an adjustment or not

 

[Anmdt]

Why India gave them?
They able to get military aid from China and India at the same time?
I don't understand.

To create influence,
Such navies usually lack the basic infrastructure to operate subs and becomes relied on the supplier, the influence then slowly grows into the navy / government.

if you see the video, the babcock spoke person at 3:49 Timestamp indeed said that the forward 40mm gun placement can be reconfigured with additional VLS instead.

although that doesn't mean they can fit 32 proper VLS in there. Top is 2 or 3 of the 6 cell CAMM-ER launcher or 8 (maybe 16) proper VLS.

 

[satria]

GLAGASPUR TINGKAT III KOARMADA III​

 

[NEKO]

Noting from notable sources (like wikipedia and others news media, including AH videos) said that our 6 FREMM + 2 Maestrale cost € 4,1 billions or around $ 4,6 billion and the Four 30FFM said cost about ¥300 billions ($ 2,7 billions)

Lets take it one by one

both 6 FREMM and 2 Maestrale Cost € 4,1 billion, its not fair if we divided the cost per ship equally because we have 2 used ship, so if we assume the cost of 2 maestrale is roughly €150 mln each, means €300 millions both, we will have € 3,8 Billions for the 6 FREMM, means € 633 millions ($ 715 millions) each, and thats reasonable price for Italian FREMM

but for 30FFM said it cost for ¥300 billion ($ 2,7 billion), divided to 4 equals to $ 675 million each
well according to this news

Japan’s New Mogami-Class Frigates Show What The U.S. Navy’s Littoral Combat Ships Could Have Been

The frigate's design attributes-speed, small crew size, support for unmanned vehicles, and anti-submarine and counter-mine capability-also guided development of U.S. littoral combat ships. The design Japan settled on is somewhat larger, a bit less expensive, and more versatile and heavily armed.

www.forbes.com

"The Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) eventually plans to procure a total of 22 of the stealth escort frigates (also designated “destroyer escorts”) built at a pace of two per year, at an estimated cost of 50 billion yen ($467 million) each"

sure we see the price jumps from the domestic price to the export price,
im not sure why

also im not sure if that all the costs is included with the armament it needs or not.

I believe the cost for our FREMM is FFBNW pahe, while the cost for 30FFM is the total cost for each ship (including sewaco).

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476505412664889346

 

[Lordimperator]

I believe the cost for our FREMM is FFBNW pahe,

No more ffbnw in this period ey?
The egyptian got their 2 GP bergamini for € 1.2 bln, ecm excluded for comparison, with €4++bln, we should get more than that, if we count maestrale as a bonus

First Italian-Built FREMM delivered to Egypt Reaches Alexandria - Naval News

Al Galala (FFG 1002), the first of two FREMM frigates delivered by Fincantieri to Egypt, arrived in Alexandria on 30 December 2020...

www.navalnews.com

 

[Umigami]

Market Expansion: Turkey Set To Export Patrol Vessels To Indonesia

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Update this chart.

View attachment 37809

 

[Madokafc]

I believe the cost for our FREMM is FFBNW pahe, while the cost for 30FFM is the total cost for each ship (including sewaco).

Our FREMM came in full and so with other future arms deals, they would came with ILS package, MRO support, munition and stuff for decade use

No need to be shocked with higher deals, they all would come with that

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476396197203959810