Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Umigami]

No more of this then?

 

[Kafkaesque]

Sri Mulyani just posted on her FB page (sorry, in Indonesian):

https://www.facebook.com/smindrawati/posts/471932677627851

What will it be, Korean or a new one (France?) ?

 

[Lordimperator]

No more of this then?

We have common enemy, for now

 

[NEKO]

No more of this then?

I hope so, but because of the pressure from the north (fishing boat militia, CG and Navy) those Vietnamese fishermen could go fishing in our EEZ.

And the maritime dispute is still unresolved.

 

[Madokafc]

BUMN Disuntik Rp 34 T, Bikin Kereta Cepat sampai Kapal Selam

Menteri Keuangan Sri Mulyani Indrawati baru saja mencairkan penyertaan modal negara (PMN) untuk beberapa badan usaha milik negara (BUMN) senilai Rp 34 triliun.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

In short, Ministry of Finance release funding for SoE to conclude their projects, including PT PAL in which received 1,3 trillion Rupiah around 95 million US Dollar to build Submarine

The contract amandment with PT PAL and new OEM (to replace the Submarine contract with DSME) would be held around April if my source is right , but alas hope it would not be dragged until November 2022 when Indo Defense Expo being held. Finger crossing here

 

[Lordimperator]

replace the Submarine contract with DSME

Bye bye changbogos?

 

[NEKO]

around 95 million US Dollar to build Submarine

To buy necessary equipment to build submarine.

Btw April is when we lose Nagapasa.
What caused the lengthy negotiation? Technical (submarine specs, ToT, construction tech) or about financing?

 

[Umigami]

BUMN Disuntik Rp 34 T, Bikin Kereta Cepat sampai Kapal Selam

Menteri Keuangan Sri Mulyani Indrawati baru saja mencairkan penyertaan modal negara (PMN) untuk beberapa badan usaha milik negara (BUMN) senilai Rp 34 triliun.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

In short, Ministry of Finance release funding for SoE to conclude their projects, including PT PAL in which received 1,3 trillion Rupiah around 95 million US Dollar to build Submarine

The contract amandment with PT PAL and new OEM (to replace the Submarine contract with DSME) would be held around April if my source is right , but alas hope it would not be dragged until November 2022 when Indo Defense Expo being held. Finger crossing here

But they can't just start spend that money right?
They have to know what Submarine they will build first.

 

[Nilgiri]

Why India gave them?
They able to get military aid from China and India at the same time?
I don't understand.

The easternmost indo-aryan languages (that represent core "India" as nation) are Bengali and Assamese.

However geography in this area plays a factor and the British logistically saw the merit of having manipur, nagaland et al be adjoined to British India (along with Assam) rather than be kept as part of Burma as they first took over (in first war) what Burma had extended past arakan mountain range into BP valley (i.e Assam)...and then the next two wars conquering Burma "proper" (irrawady delta and then larger irrawady valley).

Burma itself provincially was de-facto kept cleaved from British India at the end of these wars... and this was formalised in the 1937 official separation about 50 years later.

The logistics rationale of this were vindicated in large degree during ww2 burma theatre and how the japanese were stopped (and suffered immensely) when they elected to try assail past arakan range too.

The inheritance of the borders and the militant movements in the area means India has come to realisation it needs as good relations with Burmese power structure as possible....without overdoing it.

To eschew this means handing over huge leverage to PRC in sensitive border area cooperation with Burma as the junta has since the mid 90s been quite receptive to cooperating with India on liquidating safe-harbours within Burma that these militants use...and also economic cooperation on certain fronts.

Burma also has cautious approach to PRC, it does not want to get too close to them (again it needs read of the last few centuries of history...and most recently the border problems with its chinese ethnic groups and expelling of many chinese minorities in the cold war nationalist policy).

This was all supposed to be getting more balanced and reasonable with time as democratic reconciliation process took hold.

Unfortunately Burma has now:

A) done the extreme atrocities on Rohingya people
B) reversed the democratic process back to a state of civil war

But given Burma's location and inertia of working/economic relationship with junta, India and PRC both will engage with Junta in quite material terms in optimal way they adjudge.

India Kilo transfer happened after (A) but before (B) ... but its not the first or last time we see such things happening in cold "grey" world of geopolitics....including long history of it (even in this region) from the democratic countries of the "P5" etc.

Given nature of civil war happening in Burma now and fact PRC has to more visibly support them in UNSC etc (that India does not need to front)... India probably will do wait and see approach and narrow cooperation with Burma back to 1990s kind of era....but there is inertia of what has already been given like the Kilo, sonars etc that must also be factored in now....along with oil + gas + port + road investments.

i.e I doubt such kind of Kilo deal can happen anymore in post "A plus B" environment now....whereas Ming deal obviously can.

But lets see.

 

[NEKO]

They have to know what Submarine they will build first.

At least they already know the weight range of the candidates.

 

[Lordimperator]

At least they already know the weight range of the candidates.

+2000 tonnes? Or lesser

 

[NEKO]

+2000 tonnes? Or lesser

Idk but I'm sure its >2000 kg.

 

[Madokafc]

The easternmost indo-aryan languages (that represent core "India" as nation) are Bengali and Assamese.

However geography in this area plays a factor and the British logistically saw the merit of having manipur, nagaland et al be adjoined to British India (along with Assam) rather than be kept as part of Burma as they first took over (in first war) what Burma had extended past arakan mountain range into BP valley (i.e Assam)...and then the next two wars conquering Burma "proper" (irrawady delta and then larger irrawady valley).

Burma itself provincially was de-facto kept cleaved from British India at the end of these wars... and this was formalised in the 1937 official separation about 50 years later.

The logistics rationale of this were vindicated in large degree during ww2 burma theatre and how the japanese were stopped (and suffered immensely) when they elected to try assail past arakan range too.

The inheritance of the borders and the militant movements in the area means India has come to realisation it needs as good relations with Burmese power structure as possible....without overdoing it.

To eschew this means handing over huge leverage to PRC in sensitive border area cooperation with Burma as the junta has since the mid 90s been quite receptive to cooperating with India on liquidating safe-harbours within Burma that these militants use...and also economic cooperation on certain fronts.

Burma also has cautious approach to PRC, it does not want to get too close to them (again it needs read of the last few centuries of history...and most recently the border problems with its chinese ethnic groups and expelling of many chinese minorities in the cold war nationalist policy).

This was all supposed to be getting more balanced and reasonable with time as democratic reconciliation process took hold.

Unfortunately Burma has now:

A) done the extreme atrocities on Rohingya people
B) reversed the democratic process back to a state of civil war

But given Burma's location and inertia of working/economic relationship with junta, India and PRC both will engage with Junta in quite material terms in optimal way they adjudge.

India Kilo transfer happened after (A) but before (B) ... but its not the first or last time we see such things happening in cold "grey" world of geopolitics....including long history of it (even in this region) from the democratic countries of the "P5" etc.

Given nature of civil war happening in Burma now and fact PRC has to more visibly support them in UNSC etc (that India does not need to front)... India probably will do wait and see approach and narrow cooperation with Burma back to 1990s kind of era....but there is inertia of what has already been given like the Kilo, sonars etc that must also be factored in now....along with oil + gas + port + road investments.

i.e I doubt such kind of Kilo deal can happen anymore in post "A plus B" environment now....whereas Ming deal obviously can.

But lets see.

Myanmar is unstable factor in the supposedly one of the most stable region on earth. They put military first policy recently in which put anyone in the region feel restless lately, Thailand Army and paramilitary police already put heavy equipment on their Border. On the sea, the Myanmar Navy is keep increasing their military posture and adding more weight into it (in which Indonesian Navy still have advantage over them and more in the long term process) but with recent finding of more Rohingya and other Myanmar tribes Asylum seeker lately in Aceh water albeit with the ever increasing Myanmar Navy patrol which arouse question are they deliberately to Drive away those "burden" into neighbor countries? Indonesia need to invest more in Naval and Coast Guard Forces to handle the worst situation up there.

 

[Madokafc]

Btw, according to Oeryxscope blog there is possibility if Turkey Made fast attack patrol Boats and OPV system would be armed with Aselsan ASLR system as Anti Submarine Warfare package system as there is negotiation about them, more or less to replace the Parchim class in near future

More about Aselsan ASLR

Naval Forces need to control penetrations to naval territory and main naval bases to deny hostile submarines. In order to improve the capability of Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) Systems operating in littoral environments where sound propagation frequently causes very short sonar detection ranges and high false alarm rates on sonar systems due to adverse acoustic conditions, ASRLS provides the usage of low cost ASW rockets in shallow waters instead of employing relatively high cost torpedoes.

To engage submarine contacts under such difficult circumstances, inexpensive, quick-reaction anti-submarine weapon is needed for the navy.

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS) is the best solution that is compatible with existing underwater fire control systems.

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS) | ASELSAN

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS)

www.aselsan.com.tr

 

[NEKO]

Rohingya and other Myanmar tribes Asylum seeker lately in Aceh

Myanmar is causing troubles to the region indeed.

I think Myanmar people prefer democracy, but the military is too deeply rooted in the economy and govt just like ours in the past but I am glad that ABRI can see the bigger picture and decrease their presence in the MPR etc and now they obediently following civilian govt.

Maybe some groups in Myanmar don't want to lose $ and controls thus don't like the democratic govt.

 

[NEKO]

Btw, according to Oeryxscope blog there is possibility if Turkey Made fast attack patrol Boats and OPV system would be armed with Aselsan ASLR system as Anti Submarine Warfare package system as there is negotiation about them, more or less to replace the Parchim class in near future

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More about Aselsan ASLR

Naval Forces need to control penetrations to naval territory and main naval bases to deny hostile submarines. In order to improve the capability of Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) Systems operating in littoral environments where sound propagation frequently causes very short sonar detection ranges and high false alarm rates on sonar systems due to adverse acoustic conditions, ASRLS provides the usage of low cost ASW rockets in shallow waters instead of employing relatively high cost torpedoes.

To engage submarine contacts under such difficult circumstances, inexpensive, quick-reaction anti-submarine weapon is needed for the navy.

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS) is the best solution that is compatible with existing underwater fire control systems.

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS) | ASELSAN

Anti Submarine Rocket Launching System (ASRLS)

www.aselsan.com.tr

6 canister and no reloading mechanism?

 

[Madokafc]

Myanmar is causing troubles to the region indeed.

I think Myanmar people prefer democracy, but the military is too deeply rooted in the economy and govt just like ours in the past but I am glad that ABRI can see the bigger picture and decrease their presence in the MPR etc and now they obediently following civilian govt.

Maybe some groups in Myanmar don't want to lose $ and controls thus don't like the democratic govt.

Money and power syndrome problem

6 canister and no reloading mechanism?

They are cheap

 

[JATOSINT]

How many different types of OPVs are we going to operate....

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476505412664889346

Update

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476747784380293120

 

[Lordimperator]

How many different types of OPVs are we going to operate....

Yess