Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Van Kravchenko]

You mean UUV?


No need for super advanced AI.

Install acoustic library on it, let it wander on designated area, keep submerged mostly only go to periscope depth for comm and to recalculate position, sunk any target that match the selected acoustic signature.

Unmanned doesnt means free from human control, just imagine UAV but underwater. With all electrical instrumen installed but you can controll it in somewhere else.

The main problem is, the radio wave communications isn't good enough to travel via water

 

[NEKO]

Unmanned doesnt means free from human control

The main problem is, the radio wave communications isn't good enough to travel via water

That is why it is independent.
The computer can decide on its own on how to move underwater, using input (depth, compass bearing, speed, gps, etc) + hydrographic map.
Human can put new mission, but not necessarily need to control it constantly.

Isn't that kind of dangerous. What if US or allies use the same type of propeller?

If the acoustic library that is installed only contain warship and submarine then there is little chance for unwanted attack, its not like US warship and submarine will have the same unique acoustic signature with Russian or China.
US tried to develop such weapon, put encapsulated torpedo on a seabed and it will homing in on target based on acoustic signature, I forgot the project name.
Its a stationary torpedo launcher basically, different compared to a moving UUV that can cover large area.

 

[Lordimperator]

using input (depth, compass bearing, speed, gps, etc) + hydrographic map.

it would take a long times for us to make such a library at this pace

 

[NEKO]

it would take a long times for us to make such a library at this pace

What I mean is not library for this:

using input (depth, compass bearing, speed, gps, etc) + hydrographic map.

But acoustic library that contain unique "sound" of ship / submarine (engine , propeller etc).

 

[R4duga]

What I mean is not library for this:

But acoustic library that contain unique "sound" of ship / submarine (engine , propeller etc).

those stuff literally the same as buying intelligence report from other countries, that's why it's hard to get a library guide for different type of submarine acoustic signature.

 

[Madokafc]

The talks above about operationally independen UUV is still a pipedream, even the PT PAL CEO himself knowing in full sense, we can't do it for now or in near future. There is a lot of technical issues hampered the progress, even among top countries which had decades worth of experience, had more expert in the field and funding research (in which far more abundance compared to our humble origin).

What i can see, for now better to alocated the already given Funds to be able to develop and maintain standard conventional Submarine system. The MRO support, ability to do manufacturing along with technical knowledge of the subsystem in the conventional Submarine would give us a boost far above the current capability. It was more important to me though....

 

[Stuka Dive]

You might watch Dahlan Iskan's podcast interviewing new PT PAL's CEO, some hints from his statement that sound interesting about the shipping industry including UUV. He has a doctorate degree from the Japanese University, and experience in a Japanese shipyard before being appointed as PT PAL's CEO.

No wonder why some of the next Mogami classes will be built in Indonesia.

Kaharuddin Jenod says He has presented to MoD regarding "Pagar Nusantara" comprises of fleets of UUV....and MoD very enthusiast about it.

 

[Lordimperator]

What I mean is not library for this:

But acoustic library that contain unique "sound" of ship / submarine (engine , propeller etc).

thats the library for the "hunt" function, about how could the AI "drive" the UUV autonomous itself, it takes many parameter from the terrain for training and classified in order to the AI which decision to be taken after given the input real time from the UUV sensor (when the proto-UUV deployed). And the process need to be repeated till the AI satisfied the given parameter. Not just slapped the AI to the control panel and viola, it could move by itself

 

[Madokafc]

Kaharuddin Jenod says He has presented to MoD regarding "Pagar Nusantara" comprises of fleets of UUV....and MoD very enthusiast about it.

And from the meeting, he himself acknowledge the current limitation of our current capability though. That's why for now they are going along with the plan presented by KKIP and MoD with regard to Submarine development cooperation with the Naval Group

 

[R4duga]

Unmanned doesnt means free from human control, just imagine UAV but underwater. With all electrical instrumen installed but you can controll it in somewhere else.

The main problem is, the radio wave communications isn't good enough to travel via water

the best way to do that is using buoyancy propelled underwater glider like what found near south sulawesi, those thing will come out to surface for a specific amount of time to transmit collected data into satellite.

"The glider spent 330 days at sea which is a record for Rutgers University glider missions. It covered a distance of 7,570 km, setting a new world record for an underwater glider flight. This beats Rutgers University's own record of 7,420 km set by another glider, RU27, in 2009. In addition to this, even after 330 days at sea there was virtually no biofouling of the glider, it looked the same as the day it was deployed – give or take a couple of random barnacles."

Underwater glider sets world distance record

The Challenger mission set out to send an underwater glider from Fremantle, Western Australia to Galle, Sri Lanka. The challenger glider, also known as RU29, has reached Sri Lanka after 330 days at sea, setting a new world record for distance travelled – 7,570 km. It could also be called the...

imos.org.au

 

[NEKO]

those stuff literally the same as buying intelligence report from other countries, that's why it's hard to get a library guide for different type of submarine acoustic signature.

I wonder if we can put the acoustic library from France(scorpene) to nagapasa.
Kek beli hape baru diisiin sofwer dari konternya, sekalian isiin hape lama.

 

[NEKO]

thats the library for the "hunt" function, about how could the AI "drive" the UUV autonomous itself, it takes many parameter from the terrain for training and classified in order to the AI which decision to be taken after given the input real time from the UUV sensor (when the proto-UUV deployed). And the process need to be repeated till the AI satisfied the given parameter. Not just slapped the AI to the control panel and viola, it could move by itself

If you want it to have super AI then its fine.

 

[Lordimperator]

If you want it to have super AI then its fine.

well thats how AI works. unless we buy or copied the AI from someone else

 

[Lordimperator]

Trade deficit can be dealt with Arleigh Burke.

i wonder beside the Aegis destroyer if we could get the mk 41 vls for the aaw iver "vrygate" and Mogami (kalau jadi)

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494323622986792961

Another UUV?

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494323622986792961

Another UUV?

Maybe USA UUV

 

[Umigami]

Maybe USA UUV

Put your flag as big as possible on your spying device, kind of funny isn't it?

 

[Umigami]

I think it's somekind of towing sonar, could be commercial one.

Products - Site

Tritech offer an extensive range of products including imaging sonars, subsea sensors, underwater cameras and subsea pumps.

www.tritech.co.uk

 

[Lordimperator]

I think it's somekind of towing sonar, could be commercial one.

Products - Site

Tritech offer an extensive range of products including imaging sonars, subsea sensors, underwater cameras and subsea pumps.

www.tritech.co.uk

Maybe that is, almost same size, 118cm in the media art and 116 in the spec catalogue, altough diff weight 9 kg vs 10++kg

 

[JATOSINT]

http://www.hisutton.com/Mystery-Object-Found-On-Indonesian-Beach.html Mysterious object: Geospace Technologies SRD-500S