Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[FPXAllen]

Yes i think, golok will be the NSM testbed

IIRC, there were some old concept pictures of Klewang years ago where the missile launcher tubes are installed perpendicular to the boat's mainline. Now I'm guessing that they'll mount the launchers facing forward on both sides given that there's an RHB ramp on the boat's stern.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

so golok are 100% confirmed will use Kongsberg NSM ??
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbNUcOEvIbo/

Its good its good. The structure look sturdy enough for me. What material were used in Golok back then ? Is it steel or fiber ?

 

[Lordimperator]

they'll mount the launchers facing forward on both sides

In 2x2 or 4x4 config?

 

[R4duga]

Its good its good. The structure look sturdy enough for me. What material were used in Golok back then ? Is it steel or fiber ?

fibre, perhaps they change the superstructure material.

 

[FPXAllen]

In 2x2 or 4x4 config?

If one day there's a Klewang-class variant armed with 16 NSMs, I'll have to pick my jaw from the floor

Anyway, my assumption is that it will be fitted with 2X2 although, perhaps, its maximum configuration is 2 launchers of 4 missiles each.

 

[R4duga]

If one day there's a Klewang-class variant armed with 16 NSMs, I'll have to pick my jaw from the floor

Anyway, my assumption is that it will be fitted with 2X2 although, perhaps, its maximum configuration is 2 launchers of 4 missiles each.

evolved into something like this.

for "menggetarkan kawasan" reason.

 

[Lordimperator]

evolved into something like this.

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for "menggetarkan kawasan" reason.

Naval Group: dijual seribu tiga
Naval Group: sale

 

[FPXAllen]

evolved into something like this.

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for "menggetarkan kawasan" reason.

Right. Well, I caught some "Space Battleship Yamato" + "Patlabor/Gundam/Macross" vibes in that design. Or, in other words, cool AF.

I don't mind if Klewang-class FAC will eventually evolve into something like that though.

 

[NEKO]

IIRC, there were some old concept pictures of Klewang years ago where the missile launcher tubes are installed perpendicular to the boat's mainline. Now I'm guessing that they'll mount the launchers facing forward on both sides given that there's an RHB ramp on the boat's stern.

Will they add new holes in the superstructure for the NSM?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

In 2x2 or 4x4 config?

If one day there's a Klewang-class variant armed with 16 NSMs, I'll have to pick my jaw from the floor

Anyway, my assumption is that it will be fitted with 2X2 although, perhaps, its maximum configuration is 2 launchers of 4 missiles each.

evolved into something like this.

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for "menggetarkan kawasan" reason.

If only someday Ludin want to invest more to build 90m variant with 16 AShM onboard i think it will be enough for force multiplier.
Let alone hangar, ASW nor AAW uninstalled.

I hope they installed CIWS on current klewang 2, coz its suck to see a battle ship without maingun. Lets say perhaps we can borrow AK 630 from other ship, hehe.
For the configuration, there's enough space to mount 2x quadruple launcher, since the launcer itself not so much take place. But i think budget restrain will only make them install 2x2 config for now. Lets wait till Golok sink old ship at LNU.

 

[Lordimperator]

CIWS on current klewang 2

So the milenium gun cant be fitted on the Klewang?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

@Lordimperator, bassically speaking Yes, but No at same time. As @R4duga said earlier if the hull were made from fiber i think it will be awfull to put something heavy on the super structure.

Although there's a space behind main mast for possible CIWS installation. But, put 30mm autocannon in front of the bridge isn't bad either. It's just how the structure of the ship work to support such installation.

 

[Anmdt]

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@Lordimperator, bassically speaking Yes, but No at same time. As @R4duga said earlier if the hull were made from fiber i think it will be awfull to put something heavy on the super structure.
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Although there's a space behind main mast for possible CIWS installation. But, put 30mm autocannon in front of the bridge isn't bad either. It's just how the structure of the ship work to support such installation.

Behind the mast is possibly reserved for VERTEG*, vertical logistic transfer via helicopters, when needed.

*VERTREP, VERTical REPlenishment.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Behind the mast is possibly reserved for VERTEG, vertical logistic transfer via helicopters, when needed.

Highly doubt if helo can land there since again i doubt this ship superstructure can hold anything heavy, secondly other than this ship small dimension + host a RHIB i didn't think she will be far away from naval base. Since what i read this ship is for base defense. (I also thought that 2 hatch behind main mast is a exhaust funnel)

 

[Anmdt]

Highly doubt if helo can land there since again i doubt this ship superstructure can hold anything heavy, secondly other than this ship small dimension + host a RHIB i didn't think she will be far away from naval base. Since what i read this ship is for base defense. (I also thought that 2 hatch behind main mast is a exhaust funnel)

VERTREP doesn't require landing, it is more common to use VERTREP term than the VERTEG.

In short, vertical replenisment. The helicopter ships goods and equipments in boxes.

*Make a few reads on that even small boats are having this capability as a bonus to extend their deployment when necessary.

 

[FPXAllen]

Will they add new holes in the superstructure for the NSM?

The original plan was to embed the launchers inisde the superstructure so it was actually meant to be cut anyway.

If only someday Ludin want to invest more to build 90m variant with 16 AShM onboard i think it will be enough for force multiplier.
Let alone hangar, ASW nor AAW uninstalled.

I hope they installed CIWS on current klewang 2, coz its suck to see a battle ship without maingun. Lets say perhaps we can borrow AK 630 from other ship, hehe.
For the configuration, there's enough space to mount 2x quadruple launcher, since the launcer itself not so much take place. But i think budget restrain will only make them install 2x2 config for now. Lets wait till Golok sink old ship at LNU.

Well, from what happened with Klewang, I'm assuming that it's not that they don't want to.
On the other hand, Golok does need to prove its worth first so this fit and firing test of the NSM will be crucial for its future. I'm really looking forward to see it in full gear with radar and other electronics as well as some proper CIWS to replace that old 20 mm manually-operated cannon.

Highly doubt if helo can land there since again i doubt this ship superstructure can hold anything heavy, secondly other than this ship small dimension + host a RHIB i didn't think she will be far away from naval base. Since what i read this ship is for base defense. (I also thought that 2 hatch behind main mast is a exhaust funnel)

What @Anmdt meant was not for the helicopter to land there. It's vertical delivery/transfer which means the helo will hover above and behind the mast while lowering the cargo.

 

[Anmdt]

The original plan was to embed the launchers inisde the superstructure so it was actually meant to be cut anyway.

Well, from what happened with Klewang, I'm assuming that it's not that they don't want to.
On the other hand, Golok does need to prove its worth first so this fit and firing test of the NSM will be crucial for its future. I'm really looking forward to see it in full gear with radar and other electronics as well as some proper CIWS to replace that old 20 mm manually-operated cannon.

What @Anmdt meant was not for the helicopter to land there. It's vertical delivery/transfer which means the helo will hover above and behind the mast while lowering the cargo.

Actually that NSM spot was visible on Klewang, where the launcher lid and exhaust doors could be seen.

I don't remember if they did plan lateral launchers in the earlier concepts but since i know this trimaran concept after its CDR phase, the launchers were forward facing.

Yet still, a forward launched missile's trail and rocket fuel remnants will directly feed into the engines via those air intakes places on sides. They will need to do something for that. I am not sure what kind of rocket propellant NSM uses for the initial launch.

 

[FPXAllen]

Actually that NSM spot was visible on Klewang, where the launcher lid and exhaust doors could be seen.

Yeah, it's kinda obvious. Like in this concept art of Lundin's NSM equipped combat boat:

Although I have no idea what will they use the empty space inside the KRI Golok's boxy structure for after mounting the launchers inside. Some kind of missile launchers' exhaust ports perhaps?

I don't remember if they did plan lateral launchers in the earlier concepts but since i know this trimaran concept after its CDR phase, the launchers were forward facing.

It was either a drawing which was posted in Indonesian old military forum of Kaskus, or something that I saw firsthand when I went to cover the launching of KRI Klewang in 2012 - not sure which.

Yet still, a forward launched missile's trail and rocket fuel remnants will directly feed into the engines via those air intakes places on sides. They will need to do something for that. I am not sure what kind of rocket propellant NSM uses for the initial launch.

This makes me wonder: Will it be better that, instead of the 'ordinary' NSM, KRI Golok be armed with the VL-JSM instead? That way, at least the missile exhaust gases won't affect the engines as much - or so I assume.

 

[Anmdt]

It was either a drawing which was posted in Indonesian old military forum of Kaskus, or something that I saw firsthand when I went to cover the launching of KRI Klewang in 2012 - not sure which.

Possibly a drawing from concept times, Lundin tried to 'inspire' from gowind class to minimize the frontal RCS to the extrema in the beginning, later settled with Type 22's logical way.

I clearly remember the forward launcher's lids and exhaust doors at the aft panel of the ship. Lateral launchers are a bit harder i think due to the limited space. (That either leading to indirect exhausts or wasting volume to relax the exhaust channel's geometry.

I am not on the PC i could do few sketches to explain further.

How are they planning to replenish the missiles? From the sides via hydraulic hatches? That makes the 2 hatches for each bay, leading to 4 hatches and lids. Pop-up launchers sounds more reasonable for this kind of a boat too.

Is there any existing logistic capability to transfer missiles that high and then transfer sideways into the missile bay?

 

[deadlast]

It was either a drawing which was posted in Indonesian old military forum of Kaskus, or something that I saw firsthand when I went to cover the launching of KRI Klewang in 2012 - not sure which.

There are two on top of my mind showing lateral launcher, one was early-early concept, with different rear superstructure from the production version (no rhib cave, flat with two lateral twin launcher ala diponegoro-class exocet launcher) and the latter the supposed 'improved' design with main gun in front of the bridge (with internal missile launcher at the back).