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42 opv 90?No aircraft carrier
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That 4 LHD are already enough until 2044 and the target number of frigates and OPV is mind blowing for Indonesia, If we pick Trieste as our LHD that would be enoughNo aircraft carrier
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I surprised we currently have that many Corvettes.
If it's Trieste than F35 is a must.
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Is that even official? Tell me it is not.No aircraft carrier
Good luck training 3000+ personnel with 3 training ship, and maintaining the fleet with 6 tiny tankers, assisting with 6 tugs, and conducting mine-countermeasure operations with 6 vessels for all the other ships. (Not clear what support ship is referring to, but if it fleet support ship then ratio to tanker does not make sense).
Goals shouldn't be set based on numbers/tonnage/pieces but the capabilities. It is 20 years from now, do the math in terms of finances.
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Most of the Indonesian patrol fleet is within the support of the navy's operating base (LANTAMAL) spread across the country for refueling etc. It mentions 6 tankers, it says only tankers without any hint of size. If the tankers are the size of the Vulcano class/ Type 901 tanker, then it's enough to support the hypothetical high sea operations of LHD and destroyers.
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BTW I really support if the Navy could "tweak' their force design mid way to include CATOBAR carrier somewhere in the near future. But first, the navy would need some sort of training carrier to familiarize the navy with the challenge of operating and sustaining air power at sea.
Start with something less bizzare like the LHA with less sophisticated air arm (Helicopters and Harriers?), then overtime improve their sortie rate, operating radius from home etc and then the procurement boss actually asks the navy what kind of ship suited them the most for real CATOBAR carrier.
Start with something less bizzare like the LHA with less sophisticated air arm (Helicopters and Harriers?), then overtime improve their sortie rate, operating radius from home etc and then the procurement boss actually asks the navy what kind of ship suited them the most for real CATOBAR carrier.
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3 of 6 tankers are newly commissioned 120 meter long tankers, remaining 3 likely will be follow-on batch of a similar class tanker. Either they have shifted those large tankers under "Support vessel" tag, or the they are under impression that these tankers would serve it.
On top of that, number of training vessels and MCMW vessels and tugboats wouldn't have been sufficient to keep up with the operations they aim to conduct with those many ships.
Stating this fact again; numbers are to fool public (and to play at statistics) , goals set at total displacement and these will not help for anything, capabilities are what matter on field and i would more like to see what they are aiming in improving capabilities. (A2D, ABM, AD, LHD operations, AC, etc.). To have these capabilities by the destined year, they should have commenced a training program from today. Indonesia is not on par with the navies they have taken as a base while preparing the list, those navies have established assets/fleets and trained crew that can be rotated or utilized in training of rotation into new vessels, meanwhile Indonesia will need to train crews from scratch.
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Indonesian defence ministry, navy at impasse over ‘Red White' frigate's combat systems
The Indonesian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and the Indonesian Navy have reached an impasse over the ‘Red White' frigate programme's combat systems.
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Then why they choose the other when it's supposed to be Tacticos in the contract?
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Contract with Havelsan is not effective either, as typical to earlier attempts, there are just signatures for the CMS of frigates and patrol boats, nothing further.
I believe, neither there is a contract for radars and so on.
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Are we changing to PPA because we can get the hulls faster?
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Lmao same time, the ongoing built up at Riva Trigoso is PPA? Maybe we will take the Italiam lot, like what they did to Egyptian FREMM
