Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[this is crunch]

i count 26 people on the seat the rest 24 could be "Ngemper" and sit on the SRV floor..... View attachment 60951

Ah come on, there are even people hanging above, the video resolution is just so poor that i just notice it.

 

[Anmdt]

they also had another solution with 3 operator + 18 submarine crew (made by FET, but supplied as whole system including the mothership by SMP).

Submarine Rescue Systems

SMP provide a sole resource for the design, manufacture, installation, commissioning and training on Submarine Rescue Systems for military organisations internationally.

www.smp-ltd.com

LR11 submarine rescue vehicle to ship for Indo-Pacific navy

UK-based Forum Energy Technologies has disclosed the completion of a new free-swimming submarine rescue vehicle (SRV) for an Indo-Pacific navy.

www.janes.com

the one for indonesia definitely a very big SRV.

The whole system here refers to ROVs, Rescue Chamber, A-frame, Decompression Chamber - Medical Bay. To my understanding SMP is skilled with the latter but has no experience on SRV itself. So they are likely going to work with FET again.

they also had another solution with 3 operator + 18 submarine crew (made by FET, but supplied as whole system including the mothership by SMP).

Submarine Rescue Systems

SMP provide a sole resource for the design, manufacture, installation, commissioning and training on Submarine Rescue Systems for military organisations internationally.

www.smp-ltd.com

LR11 submarine rescue vehicle to ship for Indo-Pacific navy

UK-based Forum Energy Technologies has disclosed the completion of a new free-swimming submarine rescue vehicle (SRV) for an Indo-Pacific navy.

www.janes.com

the one for indonesia definitely a very big SRV.

If so, how it will be land-transportable. Does it really matter for Indonesian Navy to transport this through land? It will likely be air transported in case of two ship existing.

 

[JATOSINT]

Most DSRV including NATO SRS has the similar capabilities. (Capacity of 20 + 3 crew to operate)

Western-made Subs also have a universal/standardised rescue/escape hatch for DSRV to dock, right?

 

[R4duga]

The whole system here refers to ROVs, Rescue Chamber, A-frame, Decompression Chamber - Medical Bay. To my understanding SMP is skilled with the latter but has no experience on SRV itself. So they are likely going to work with FET again.

If so, how it will be land-transportable. Does it really matter for Indonesian Navy to transport this through land? It will likely be air transported in case of two ship existing.

yeah, we're going to get the A400M anyway.

 

[R4duga]

@Anmdt any details or info regarding sub launched atmaca ?

 

[Mayonnaise]

Lessgo, U214 with land attack atmaca. Another Turkish delight.

So it will be Reiss class I presume? not the original type 214? someone from FB said that PT. PAL delegation just visit Turkish STM just couple days ago. But, I can't find the news in the internet.

 

[deadlast]

The whole system here refers to ROVs, Rescue Chamber, A-frame, Decompression Chamber - Medical Bay. To my understanding SMP is skilled with the latter but has no experience on SRV itself. So they are likely going to work with FET again.

More like SMP here acting as main contractor while they subcontract some of the system/sub-system to others, IINM the deal also include a mothership which SMP also doesn't have in their catalog.

If so, how it will be land-transportable. Does it really matter for Indonesian Navy to transport this through land? It will likely be air transported in case of two ship existing.

The deal is for two SRVs, one is integrated with a mothership and the other are paired with modular frame to be airlifted to nearest Vessel Of Opportunities (VOO). The land transport thing are mostly going to be from base-to-airport followed by destination airport-to-port then to be load up on any available VOO.

This also confirm the Ocean-going Survey Vessel with sub-rescue capability the navy announced a while back, most likely these research vessel could be used to host this modular SRV as VOO when the need arise.
https://navalpost.com/indonesia-devoted-budget-for-naval-hydrographic-ships/
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...h-abeking-rasmussen-for-new-hydrographic-ship

 

[Umigami]

did kemhan admin drop a CLUE who's going to win the submarine tender ??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1700843151173489064

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Well, welcome Turkiyefication...

 

[Anmdt]

Western-made Subs also have a universal/standardised rescue/escape hatch for DSRV to dock, right?

The hatch and chamber is common among western submarines (i believe, so far as i have seen). However, i may not guarantee this for nuclear subs since i haven't seen one in person. The compatibility is more about the A-frame where the SRS-DSRV is attached to. But an 50 person SRV does not fit to my understanding if the escape chamber can fit 20-25 person. I am not sure if the escape chamber can be opened at the both end at once (there is usually a mechanical restraint at both ends preventing this like the torpedo tubes), and i am also not sure if the hatch can be closed and opened multiple times at a single visit (but should work by leaving a person inside to close and secure the hatch before opening the end connected to the submarine. They should have thought these details before opting for 50 men capacity.

More like SMP here acting as main contractor while they subcontract some of the system/sub-system to others, IINM the deal also include a mothership which SMP also doesn't have in their catalog.


The deal is for two SRVs, one is integrated with a mothership and the other are paired with modular frame to be airlifted to nearest Vessel Of Opportunities (VOO). The land transport thing are mostly going to be from base-to-airport followed by destination airport-to-port then to be load up on any available VOO.

This also confirm the Ocean-going Survey Vessel with sub-rescue capability the navy announced a while back, most likely these research vessel could be used to host this modular SRV as VOO when the need arise.
https://navalpost.com/indonesia-devoted-budget-for-naval-hydrographic-ships/
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...h-abeking-rasmussen-for-new-hydrographic-ship

If i remember correctly the survey vessels usually have an A-frame readily available thus they will airlift the decompression chamber and the SRV itself. (and whatever required for a rescue mission).

@Anmdt any details or info regarding sub launched atmaca ?

Not before than 2025-2026, possibly after improved block of Akya HWT has been delivered. Tests may be conducted in 2025 but i may not guarantee when it will be introduced to the service. TN hasn't yet made a choice whether they opt for IIR or RF seeker on sub-Atmaca either.

 

[Lordimperator]

3 reiss class, against 2 non aip scorpene, good deal if its true

 

[this is crunch]

3 reiss class, against 2 non aip scorpene, good deal if its true

where did you get information of 3 reis class

 

[Lordimperator]

where did you get information of 3 reis class

Internet

 

[Parry Brima]

3 reiss class, against 2 non aip scorpene, good deal if its true

It's a good deal if it's independent from the US like Scorpene is. Hoping that would be the case.

 

[Umigami]

Which one is better for modern Submarine like 209 or 214, high automation or less (more crews) ?
If man power availability isn't a problem, is less automation better?

 

[R4duga]

Which one is better for modern Submarine like 209 or 214, high automation or less (more crews) ?
If man power availability isn't a problem, is less automation better?

less man power needed could also mean longer operational endurance (especially for food stock/supply on the ship).

 

[Umigami]

less man power needed could also mean longer operational endurance (especially for food stock/supply on the ship).

I heard some rumors our new submarines will use more men than original version.

 

[Lordimperator]

I heard some rumors our new submarines will use more men than original version.

Reis has more crew than the vanilla U214 right?

 

[Umigami]

Reis has more crew than the vanilla U214 right?

Turkiye and Hellenic version are 30.
SK is 22.

 

[Umigami]

Reiss class is bigger and heavier than other 214 though.

 

[R4duga]

Reiss class is bigger and heavier than other 214 though.

maximum is 40 people.