Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Madokafc]

Credit to original owner, via Lembaga Keris

Two Indonesian Navy ASW assets in the past, Fairey Gannet and Westland Wasp

Right now TNI AL only depend on Panther ASW Helicopter as aerial ASW assets

 

[Shadow94]

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357993153635045381

 

[Van Kravchenko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357993153635045381

that was the core of one of the most powerfull fleet formation in this earth, look at those fully parked F/A 18 at CVN.
with that range am very proud with our Navy.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1358239371787341826

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1358239371787341826

They seem too eager to giving their presence there in Natuna. Look like TNI and MoD need more comprehensive strength and planning to counter that

 

[R4duga]

They seem too eager to giving their presence there in Natuna. Look like TNI and MoD need more comprehensive strength and planning to counter that

response to recent nimitz battlegroup perhaps ?

 

[Madokafc]

response to recent nimitz battlegroup perhaps ?

USN battlegroup is already using the South China Sea as their LoC since decades ago, and they are don't have further ambition except for preserve the status quo and put freedom of Navigation as everything even they don't acknowledge UNCLOS since beginning that's why Indonesia had to giving them face by providing ALKI lines, the Chinese is different in nature meanwhile they are ratified UNCLOS but they only ever implemented thing convenient for them, they are thoroughly hipocryte to the bones

 

[JATOSINT]

response to recent nimitz battlegroup perhaps ?

For this particular occasion, maybe

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesian Navy Applies to Take Two Type 209/1400 from the Brazilian Navy​

08 Februari 2020


Tupi class submarines (IKL-209) at Almirante Castro e Silva Base (BACS) in Mocanguê, Niterói - RJ (photo: Alexandre Galante)

The Indonesian Navy is in an advanced stage of negotiations with the Brazilian Navy to take two of the four IKL-209 submarines belonging to the Submarine Force (ForSub), which are being made available to the international market, due to the wide renovation of the flotilla of Brazilian submersibles.

Indonesians operate two Type 209/1300 ships, commissioned in the early half of the 2000s, and three others, Type 209/1400, built by the South Korean group Daewoo under license from the German company Thyssen.

According to the American NGO “Nuclear Threat Iniative”, the most modern of these 1400 boats - 405 Alugoro -, launched at sea on April 11, 2019, has yet to be formally commissioned by the Indonesian Naval Force, which is expected to happen this year.

According to the Naval Power, with a source from the Navy Command, in Brasilia, it reinforces the Jakarta Government's interest in Brazilian ships, the fact that the admirals of the Asian country positively see the possibility of maintaining themselves in the operation of submarines with German technology , as are the ForSub moored at the Almirante Castro e Silva Base, in Guanabara Bay.

Despite this, in 2006, the respected news agency "France Press" reported that Indonesians were considering purchasing a dozen new submarines from Russia (which sold six to Vietnam), South Korea or China.

More recently, in October 2012, the “Jane's World Navies” yearbook reported that Indonesia's Strategic Defense Plan for the year 2024 argues that Indonesia is equipped with at least ten submarines.

(Poder Naval)

 

[Umigami]

Indonesian Navy Applies to Take Two Type 209/1400 from the Brazilian Navy​

08 Februari 2020


Tupi class submarines (IKL-209) at Almirante Castro e Silva Base (BACS) in Mocanguê, Niterói - RJ (photo: Alexandre Galante)

The Indonesian Navy is in an advanced stage of negotiations with the Brazilian Navy to take two of the four IKL-209 submarines belonging to the Submarine Force (ForSub), which are being made available to the international market, due to the wide renovation of the flotilla of Brazilian submersibles.

Indonesians operate two Type 209/1300 ships, commissioned in the early half of the 2000s, and three others, Type 209/1400, built by the South Korean group Daewoo under license from the German company Thyssen.

According to the American NGO “Nuclear Threat Iniative”, the most modern of these 1400 boats - 405 Alugoro -, launched at sea on April 11, 2019, has yet to be formally commissioned by the Indonesian Naval Force, which is expected to happen this year.

According to the Naval Power, with a source from the Navy Command, in Brasilia, it reinforces the Jakarta Government's interest in Brazilian ships, the fact that the admirals of the Asian country positively see the possibility of maintaining themselves in the operation of submarines with German technology , as are the ForSub moored at the Almirante Castro e Silva Base, in Guanabara Bay.

Despite this, in 2006, the respected news agency "France Press" reported that Indonesians were considering purchasing a dozen new submarines from Russia (which sold six to Vietnam), South Korea or China.

More recently, in October 2012, the “Jane's World Navies” yearbook reported that Indonesia's Strategic Defense Plan for the year 2024 argues that Indonesia is equipped with at least ten submarines.

(Poder Naval)

"We already have capability to build sub on our own, why need to buy those rubbish old sub, BLA BLA BLA....."
I could see this coming

Edit: the article is gone

 

[NEKO]

"We already have capability to build sub on our own, why need to buy those rubbish old sub, BLA BLA BLA....."
I could see this coming

Edit: the article is gone

Its good interim solution, i mean its type 209 same with our current sub.

 

[Umigami]

Its good interim solution, i mean its type 209 same with our current sub.

Yeah I know that, but some people don't think it that way

 

[Van Kravchenko]

If you were referring the currently underwater part of Sunda Shelf,

Its been a while tho.

My statement before goes to sunda shelf (lautan yang terbentuk karena terendamnya dataran rendah sunda besar)

that sea, were the most busy water teritory of Indonesia. With average shallow depth compare to other part of indonesian water.
But, i clearly doubt that we has proper mapping of its seabed.

Back then when german send its U boat much of them ended up sunk at java sea, and we didnt know wether japan do the same at our water too.

Since that case, its clear that we need much vessel with proper sonar.

Its make me to conclusion that java sea to natuna sea is the best spot for sub and Underwater Autonomous Vehicle to play all along.


Well, , ,
What i think today, that perhaps we will not have any proper vessel that at least on par with Chinesse type 54 frigate in this 5 year

Not even 30 FFM could beat type 54 frigate

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Indonesian Navy Applies to Take Two Type 209/1400 from the Brazilian Navy​

08 Februari 2020


Tupi class submarines (IKL-209) at Almirante Castro e Silva Base (BACS) in Mocanguê, Niterói - RJ (photo: Alexandre Galante)

The Indonesian Navy is in an advanced stage of negotiations with the Brazilian Navy to take two of the four IKL-209 submarines belonging to the Submarine Force (ForSub), which are being made available to the international market, due to the wide renovation of the flotilla of Brazilian submersibles.

Indonesians operate two Type 209/1300 ships, commissioned in the early half of the 2000s, and three others, Type 209/1400, built by the South Korean group Daewoo under license from the German company Thyssen.

According to the American NGO “Nuclear Threat Iniative”, the most modern of these 1400 boats - 405 Alugoro -, launched at sea on April 11, 2019, has yet to be formally commissioned by the Indonesian Naval Force, which is expected to happen this year.

According to the Naval Power, with a source from the Navy Command, in Brasilia, it reinforces the Jakarta Government's interest in Brazilian ships, the fact that the admirals of the Asian country positively see the possibility of maintaining themselves in the operation of submarines with German technology , as are the ForSub moored at the Almirante Castro e Silva Base, in Guanabara Bay.

Despite this, in 2006, the respected news agency "France Press" reported that Indonesians were considering purchasing a dozen new submarines from Russia (which sold six to Vietnam), South Korea or China.

More recently, in October 2012, the “Jane's World Navies” yearbook reported that Indonesia's Strategic Defense Plan for the year 2024 argues that Indonesia is equipped with at least ten submarines.

(Poder Naval)

"We already have capability to build sub on our own, why need to buy those rubbish old sub, BLA BLA BLA....."
I could see this coming

Edit: the article is gone

Its good interim solution, i mean its type 209 same with our current sub.

Yeah I know that, but some people don't think it that way

I'll take it with proton sized of salt tho.

Perhaps same fate as interim Fighter, and Boats.

Don't know how our MoD progress right now.

Me, litterally crying in komcad idea

 

[Panca]

 

[joedhie2k]

old U209/1400 means need modernisation/refurb for CMS, battery, probably other electronics..
also refurb works can take same period with buying newly built U209/1400 (CBG)..

IMO rubbish deal

 

[R4duga]

old U209/1400 means need modernisation/refurb for CMS, battery, probably other electronics..
also refurb works can take same period with buying newly built U209/1400 (CBG)..

IMO rubbish deal

if i remember correctly their tupi class u209/1400 already get modernized CMS by lockheed martin , though if indonesia insist to change it into kongsberg MSI-90U mk2 for commonality reason , then that's another story ...

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/201...cessfully-Tested-in-Brazilian-Navy-Sea-Trials

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-a...on/maritime-systems-integration-undersea.html

 

[Parry Brima]

Indonesian Navy Applies to Take Two Type 209/1400 from the Brazilian Navy​

08 Februari 2020


Tupi class submarines (IKL-209) at Almirante Castro e Silva Base (BACS) in Mocanguê, Niterói - RJ (photo: Alexandre Galante)

The Indonesian Navy is in an advanced stage of negotiations with the Brazilian Navy to take two of the four IKL-209 submarines belonging to the Submarine Force (ForSub), which are being made available to the international market, due to the wide renovation of the flotilla of Brazilian submersibles.

Indonesians operate two Type 209/1300 ships, commissioned in the early half of the 2000s, and three others, Type 209/1400, built by the South Korean group Daewoo under license from the German company Thyssen.

According to the American NGO “Nuclear Threat Iniative”, the most modern of these 1400 boats - 405 Alugoro -, launched at sea on April 11, 2019, has yet to be formally commissioned by the Indonesian Naval Force, which is expected to happen this year.

According to the Naval Power, with a source from the Navy Command, in Brasilia, it reinforces the Jakarta Government's interest in Brazilian ships, the fact that the admirals of the Asian country positively see the possibility of maintaining themselves in the operation of submarines with German technology , as are the ForSub moored at the Almirante Castro e Silva Base, in Guanabara Bay.

Despite this, in 2006, the respected news agency "France Press" reported that Indonesians were considering purchasing a dozen new submarines from Russia (which sold six to Vietnam), South Korea or China.

More recently, in October 2012, the “Jane's World Navies” yearbook reported that Indonesia's Strategic Defense Plan for the year 2024 argues that Indonesia is equipped with at least ten submarines.

(Poder Naval)

The link is broken. This is the original article from Naval.com.br dated Feb 2nd :

Submarinos brasileiros para a Indonésia - Poder Naval - Navios de Guerra, Marinhas de Guerra, Aviação Naval, Indústria Naval e Estratégia Marítima

A Marinha da Indonésia se encontra em um estágio avançado de negociações com a Marinha do Brasil, para ficar com dois dos quatro submarinos IKL-209 pertencentes à Força de Submarinos (ForSub), que estão sendo disponibilizados para o mercado internacional, em função da ampla renovação da flotilha...

www.naval.com.br

and the translation :

Indonesian Navy Applies to Take Two Type 209/1400 from the Brazilian Navy

08 Februari 2020 Tupi class submarines (IKL-209) at Almirante Castro e Silva Base (BACS) in Mocanguê, Niterói - RJ (photo: Alexandre Galante...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

Interesting info about the price, it's $70 mil.

Quote :

"....the price of which can be - with the modernization to be carried out at the Rio de Janeiro Navy Arsenal - in around 70 million dollars."

 

[NEKO]

Yeah I know that, but some people don't think it that way

Da