Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[terranmcv]

"...the selection of weapon systems and other critical components, driven by technical and non-technical considerations from the Ministry of Defence and/or Navy, has necessitated adjustments to the frigate’s design..."

So the one that makes it "ribet" is the user?

 

[Mandala]

"...the selection of weapon systems and other critical components, driven by technical and non-technical considerations from the Ministry of Defence and/or Navy, has necessitated adjustments to the frigate’s design..."

So the one that makes it "ribet" is the user?

To be fair the Ministry of Defence is also to blame for the delays. They cannot even make a decision on what CMS to choose up until now. I'm sure the user (Navy) would prefer the Tacticos.

 

[Lordimperator]

"...the selection of weapon systems and other critical components, driven by technical and non-technical considerations from the Ministry of Defence and/or Navy, has necessitated adjustments to the frigate’s design..."

So the one that makes it "ribet" is the user?

To be fair the Ministry of Defence is also to blame for the delays. They cannot even make a decision on what CMS to choose up until now. I'm sure the user (Navy) would prefer the Tacticos.

And now they got athena as cms, Kronos quad x Cenk 400N (ffbnw), mated with midlas vls. Gado gado . Atleast Atmaca will be common AShM, aside exocet.

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[satria]

And now they got athena as cms, Kronos quad x Cenk 400N (ffbnw), mated with midlas vls. Gado gado . Atleast Atmaca will be common AShM, aside exocet.

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I Think FMP will use different CMS n Radar

Apart from that, there are significant differences in the number of combat system equipment and weapons platform variants on the two Red and White Frigate ships.

https://m.antaranews.com/berita/414...rah-putih-yang-pertama-gunakan-naval-rules-lr

jadinya ntar ada FMP kronos dan FMP dengan sistem Turki dengan radar Cenk , betul ga si ?

 

[Gary]

My concern is not about TKMS vs NG, my concern is our plan for midget submarine, which I'm not a fan of, if possible I want the navy to have 2 Scorpene + 2 U214 or 4 Scorpene followed by an even larger class of attack submarine (preferrably nuclear powered), while cancelling plans for 7 (?) midget sub.

What we need is large submarines able to stay submerged for long, travel far and fast, dive deep and lots of magazine, something not possible with midget sub.

Diesel attack submarines are quiet, but there's a reason why services that operated them are either converting to full Nuke subs fleet (like in the case of the USN, RN and RAN) or trying to acquire one (like Brazil).

One of the reasons is nuclear propulsion gives you unlimited sprint speed. Something that conventional SSK can't do because they must conserve battery life.

It's not always about who is the quieter or who can dive for longer time (SSN actually excels both)

from the book :

A Carrier at Risk: Argentinean Aircraft Carrier and Anti-Submarine Operations against Royal Navy’s Attack Submarines during the Falklands/Malvinas War, 1982 (Latin America@War)​

 

[Lordimperator]

I Think FMP will use different CMS n Radar


https://m.antaranews.com/berita/414...rah-putih-yang-pertama-gunakan-naval-rules-lr

jadinya ntar ada FMP kronos dan FMP dengan sistem Turki dengan radar Cenk , betul ga si ?

Both FMP after the latest amandement, kronos will be the MFR and the 4d radar will be Cenk but in ffbnw config, the cms will be Athena, same as the PPA CMS. The missile will be handled by roketsan, via midlas vls.

 

[satria]

I Think FMP will use different CMS n Radar

jadinya ntar ada FMP kronos dan FMP dengan sistem Turki dengan radar Cenk , betul ga si ?

so let say One with Kronos radar which as same as FREMM

and the other is Cenk Aselsan with Turkiye system

Both Are AESA Radar ...

 

[Soman45]

I Think FMP will use different CMS n Radar


https://m.antaranews.com/berita/414...rah-putih-yang-pertama-gunakan-naval-rules-lr

jadinya ntar ada FMP kronos dan FMP dengan sistem Turki dengan radar Cenk , betul ga si ?

Both FMP will use Kronos quad for MFR and Cenk (FFBNW) for surveillance radar, so the configuration for FMP looks like this from what i gathered :
- Leonardo's CMS
- Kronos quad for the Multifunction radar
- Cenk for surveillance radar
- Leonardo's naval gun
- Roketsan for AShM and SAM
- Rheinmetall Millennium gun for the CIWS

 

[satria]

Both FMP will use Kronos quad for MFR and Cenk (FFBNW) for surveillance radar, so the configuration for FMP looks like this from what i gathered :
- Leonardo's CMS
- Kronos quad for the Multifunction radar
- Cenk for surveillance radar
- Leonardo's naval gun
- Roketsan for AShM and SAM
- Rheinmetall Millennium gun for the CIWS

Wow, what do you think when compared to FREMM / others Frigates of the same level?

Can't imagine what kind of destroyer to choose?

 

[Soman45]

Wow, what do you think when compared to FREMM / others Frigates of the same level?

Can't imagine what kind of destroyer to choose?

FMP is basically FREMM EVO with some differences and from what PT PAL said the FMP will be more heavily armed than the original Arrowhead 140, so expect more VLS

 

[Lordimperator]

Wow, what do you think when compared to FREMM / others Frigates of the same level?

Can't imagine what kind of destroyer to choose?

Navantia flight 3 destroyer need to find the Aegis alternatives vs Type 52 as is"

 

[satria]

FMP is basically FREMM EVO with some differences and from what PT PAL said the FMP will be more heavily armed than the original Arrowhead 140, so expect more VLS

sound to me ... we gonna forget FREMM , and continue with FMP , PPA as OPV and FDI

 

[Lordimperator]

sound to me ... we gonna forget FREMM , and continue with FMP , PPA as OPV and FDI

I would rather repeat order the PPA and FMP so well get 4 units each class

 

[satria]

I would rather repeat order the PPA and FMP so well get 4 units each class

we need buy FDI to make France allow us to buy aster 15/30 .. otherwise gonna be Turkiye armanent

 

[Umigami]

Are Turkish system on FMP already set in stone or could be changed as long as they are FFBNW ?

 

[satria]

Are Turkish system on FMP already set in stone or could be changed as long as they are FFBNW ?

I think just Atmaca will be our missile to be joint to produce localy, so other systems could be changed

 

[Soman45]

For those who wondering how the new Damage Control Simulator (DCSIM) TNI AL from Turkiye works

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=994898388745141

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[Lordimperator]

Are Turkish system on FMP already set in stone or could be changed as long as they are FFBNW ?

I dont know tho, but technically Midlas vls has larger dimension than Sylver A50.

 

[Lordimperator]

I think just Atmaca will be our missile to be joint to produce localy, so other systems could be changed

Hopefully they could materialized 200++ Atmaca deal.

 

[Lordimperator]

we need buy FDI to make France allow us to buy aster 15/30 .. otherwise gonna be Turkiye armanent

Then buy 4 each FREMM ASW and FDi