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Next program for the next five years

4 Destroyer (number can be changed)
6 Frigate (number can be changed)

Additional OPV 90 (2-4 units)

Naval Helicopters (some would be fitted as ASW helicopters)

Flattop platform

additional medium cargo aircraft

Small ISR Aircraft

Two newly build Submarine

interim Submarine
 

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So, this is the first time we have confirmation that the Ministry of Defense initially wanted to equip the FMP with MICA and BrahMos missiles.
 

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So, this is the first time we have confirmation that the Ministry of Defense initially wanted to equip the FMP with MICA and BrahMos missiles.
12 VLS each for med and long range SAM?
Midlas bundled 8 vls each, right?
 

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Next program for the next five years

4 Destroyer (number can be changed)
6 Frigate (number can be changed)

Additional OPV 90 (2-4 units)

Naval Helicopters (some would be fitted as ASW helicopters)

Flattop platform

additional medium cargo aircraft

Small ISR Aircraft

Two newly build Submarine

interim Submarine
Flat top platform!!??
Is this real or just a wishful thinking, if it's true, what kind of flat tops we're looking for?
4 Destroyer will be great though
 

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Next program for the next five years

4 Destroyer (number can be changed)
6 Frigate (number can be changed)

Additional OPV 90 (2-4 units)

Naval Helicopters (some would be fitted as ASW helicopters)

Flattop platform

additional medium cargo aircraft

Small ISR Aircraft

Two newly build Submarine

interim Submarine
As a naval architect and partly involved with navy people of my country, this doesn't seem feasible from multiple aspects. I would start with crew.
 

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12 VLS each for med and long range SAM?
Midlas bundled 8 vls each, right?
MICA comes with flexible layout thanks to the individual cell design, however that would be such a waste for this platform to allocate a VLS spot with non-adaptable MICA launchers.

Slyver comes in 8 packs. So i would hope it is 3 x Sylver A50 (minimum). Otherwise big win for lobbies.
 

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As a naval architect and partly involved with navy people of my country, this doesn't seem feasible from multiple aspects. I would start with crew.
When Indonesian are putting their mind into something . Crew availability were never become a problem . It's the quality side of the equation that always come into the question ...
Sink or swim mentality were too much hard wired into the psyche of this nation .
Try to look up the " matjan tutul " incident for a references ....
Life is cheap here ....
 

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When Indonesian are putting their mind into something . Crew availability were never become a problem . It's the quality side of the equation that always come into the question ...
Sink or swim mentality were too much hard wired into the psyche of this nation .
Try to look up the " matjan tutul " incident for a references ....
Life is cheap here ....
typical east Asian countries, china, japan, korea, vietnam, cambodia, indonesia they got similar perspective regarding manpower
 

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When Indonesian are putting their mind into something . Crew availability were never become a problem . It's the quality side of the equation that always come into the question ...
Sink or swim mentality were too much hard wired into the psyche of this nation .
Try to look up the " matjan tutul " incident for a references ....
Life is cheap here ....
Not quite different in here, the ship swims nevertheless, as long as the captain knows the pull the maneuvers and port entries&departures, a voyage is not a big issue nowadays as machinery and whatsoever is automated at great extends.

I have spoken even merely from perspective orienteering of base crew to merely operate those ships, the naval academy should have increased the quote and give basic and advanced training to more cadets. Also account for the different platforms thus more crew to be deployed abroad for training (except of the OPVs possibly).

10 major combatants mean at least 200 core specialist personnel that completed advanced training (specialization) and fluent in english to absorb the orienteering. The rest of the crew could be somehow acquired thanks to the human resources factor but these 200 are specialists.
 

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Not quite different in here, the ship swims nevertheless, as long as the captain knows the pull the maneuvers and port entries&departures, a voyage is not a big issue nowadays as machinery and whatsoever is automated at great extends.

I have spoken even merely from perspective orienteering of base crew to merely operate those ships, the naval academy should have increased the quote and give basic and advanced training to more cadets. Also account for the different platforms thus more crew to be deployed abroad for training (except of the OPVs possibly).

10 major combatants mean at least 200 core specialist personnel that completed advanced training (specialization) and fluent in english to absorb the orienteering. The rest of the crew could be somehow acquired thanks to the human resources factor but these 200 are specialists.
you should remember, in indonesia millions of people queue to be enlisted. not soo hard to search potential member of navy even from university with higher portfolio like fluent in english, higher IQ etc, ..becoming part of indonesian armed forces is a previlledge, no need anime or gundam to attrack young peoples with higher standard of education to join armed forces
 

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you should remember, in indonesia millions of people queue to be enlisted. not soo hard to search potential member of navy even from university with higher portfolio like fluent in english, higher IQ etc, ..becoming part of indonesian armed forces is a previlledge, no need anime or gundam to attrack young peoples with higher standard of education to join armed forces
I don't think you can magically train more people by putting more into the classes.
 

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I don't think you can magically train more people by putting more into the classes.
Quantity wise it's achievable . Quality wise ?? Only real action could show us the result ...

And the saddest thing is ....this nation are brave and determined enough to bear the unnecesary losses ...
 

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As a naval architect and partly involved with navy people of my country, this doesn't seem feasible from multiple aspects. I would start with crew.

They want to retire a lot of major platform actually and utilize the crews for newly build platform

There is at least 14 Parchim class and five Van Speijk class is in pending retirement program with Parchim having at least 80 crew to manned them and 180 for Van Speijk class. And there is also old major support ships like Teluk Amboina, Teluk Semangka class, Tanjung Kambani and Karang Pilang class also in pending retirement program

Actually Indonesia Navy had a lot of officers and crew to be spared
 

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