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Are we using Pindad's R-Han 122 for this MRLs?
Four? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one, is there any possibility of typo?The escalation, which outlines a requirement for up to four Type 214 boats,
Four? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one, is there any possibility of typo?
If we choose scorpene will it be 4 unit?
Borong borong borong!!!If we refer to the leaked list from Rapim we want :
- 5 Scorpene
- 4 Type 214
- 2 CBG
- 2 midget sub N310
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choose ? why do we need to choose if we can get both presumablyFour? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one, is there any possibility of typo?
If we choose scorpene will it be 4 unit?
choose ? why do we need to choose if we can get both presumably
Truly a collector.If we refer to the leaked list from Rapim we want :
- 5 Scorpene
- 4 Type 214
- 2 CBG
- 2 midget sub N310
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Why both if we can get three.choose ? why do we need to choose if we can get both presumably
Germans are not stupid, they wouldn't sell 2 of the midget submarines knowing it is prone to be copied. They have a sense on how many midget submarines Indonesian Navy needs or plans in near future.If we refer to the leaked list from Rapim we want :
- 5 Scorpene
- 4 Type 214
- 2 CBG
- 2 midget sub N310
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Germans are not stupid, they wouldn't sell 2 of the midget submarines knowing it is prone to be copied. They have a sense on how many midget submarines Indonesian Navy needs or plans in near future.
Indonesia actually had plans for high numbers of mini-subs, am i wrong?. I rather referred N310 to that part. Or not interested in mini-subs anymore?That's why they offer TKMS U214, to give more margin benefit.
Indonesia actually had plans for high numbers of mini-subs, am i wrong?. I rather referred N310 to that part. Or not interested in mini-subs anymore?
I actually mean,TKMS would prefer the deliver the license for the platform,instead of selling 2 and knowing it can be copied, so that it can be built in high numbers with a license. 2 units from a mini-sub doesn't make sense operationally or financially.
And i was thinking that the Germans sub will be competing against French sub.If we refer to the leaked list from Rapim we want :
- 5 Scorpene
- 4 Type 214
- 2 CBG
- 2 midget sub N310
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And i was thinking that the Germans sub will be competing against French sub.
11 new submarine for MEF 3 (2021 - 2024) from 3 different type.
Big question about the number and submarine type. I wonder if its really urgent and sh1t about to get real very soon, if its true then make sense to order it from 3 different country and 3 sub will be built almost simultaneously.
Have 8 submarine by 2024 : acceptable.
12 submarine by 2024 : very good.
16 submarine by 2024 (or 2024+, maybe the scorpene will be built locally and take longer time) : YES! YES! YES!
That's triple of our current sub.
But still won't believe it until its official.
Indonesia actually had plans for high numbers of mini-subs, am i wrong?. I rather referred N310 to that part. Or not interested in mini-subs anymore?
I actually mean,TKMS would prefer the deliver the license for the platform,instead of selling 2 and knowing it can be copied, so that it can be built in high numbers with a license. 2 units from a mini-sub doesn't make sense operationally or financially.
Other role.... I like the sound of itThe thing is the Navy focused more on conventional Submarine forces, and the mini Sub projects so far is more or less as educational research purpose to build proper Submarine design in near future. They know there is high chance Indonesia Navy must operated their Submarine far from their comfort operational zone to act as interdiction , Vanguard and screening forces units, a roles any midget Submarine doesn't have any advantage.
Btw, to have a midget Submarine like this one is beneficial for training purpose platform in near future. On other hand they too can act as more better partner training for the newly re-built ASW vessels and other platform of Indonesia Navy. That's why the number of two seems very rational for me right now.
Edit, there is other purpose i had read it somewhere on some paper, they intended to use them as Swimmer delivery vehicles for Special Forces. But nonetheless i can't confirmed it for now.
But it safe to assume there is heavy emphasize for Indonesia Navy to use conventional Submarine as deterrence forces. Meanwhile midget Submarine more like as educational, training platform and other roles.
When do you plan to train all those personnel (referring to the latter 2 options of 12 and 16) also 3 years to procure 3 new submarines seems hard (unless used).And i was thinking that the Germans sub will be competing against French sub.
11 new submarine for MEF 3 (2021 - 2024) from 3 different type.
Big question about the number and submarine type. I wonder if its really urgent and sh1t about to get real very soon, if its true then make sense to order it from 3 different country and 3 sub will be built almost simultaneously.
Have 8 submarine by 2024 : acceptable.
12 submarine by 2024 : very good.
16 submarine by 2024 (or 2024+, maybe the scorpene will be built locally and take longer time) : YES! YES! YES!
That's triple of our current sub.
But still won't believe it until its official.
SDVs better to be designed according ,usually with less range, less endurance smaller in sizes. N310 would be a bit big and ineffective for that.The thing is the Navy focused more on conventional Submarine forces, and the mini Sub projects so far is more or less as educational research purpose to build proper Submarine design in near future. They know there is high chance Indonesia Navy must operated their Submarine far from their comfort operational zone to act as interdiction , Vanguard and screening forces units, a roles any midget Submarine doesn't have any advantage.
Btw, to have a midget Submarine like this one is beneficial for training purpose platform in near future. On other hand they too can act as more better partner training for the newly re-built ASW vessels and other platform of Indonesia Navy. That's why the number of two seems very rational for me right now.
Edit, there is other purpose i had read it somewhere on some paper, they intended to use them as Swimmer delivery vehicles for Special Forces. But nonetheless i can't confirmed it for now.
But it safe to assume there is heavy emphasize for Indonesia Navy to use conventional Submarine as deterrence forces. Meanwhile midget Submarine more like as educational, training platform and other roles.