Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[San.geuk]

Your statement remind me about our previous MoD : "... mau perang sama siapa?"
"Who do you want to go war ?"

more like Duterte thinking

 

[Madokafc]

Speaking of stop gap solution, have US ever transferred their naval assets to other countries through EDA program? Reckon we could use some

In seventy decades, Indonesia got Claude Jones Destroyer Escort class and several LST

In early 2010 got offered of some their Oliver Hazard Perry class


Btw Turkey, Egypt , Pakistan, Taiwan and several other countries is known to accepted EDA in Naval article.

 

[NEKO]

Indonesian Navy need not compete ship per ship basis with China. We can't anyway.

A fleet 1/4th or even 1/6th of China's SS fleet is enough.

And I agree with stop gap solution. Any stop gap solution is still better than most Indonesian navy vessel afloat these days.

With a good strategy we still can put up a good fight, Even Kriegsmarine still able to terrorise the allies on the high seas even though only using their U-boat.
And with today's technology a single submarine (in a berserk mode) able to face of against a carrier battle group. IMHO

 

[Gary]

With a good strategy we still can put up a good fight, Even Kriegsmarine still able to terrorise the allies on the high seas even though only using their U-boat.
And with today's technology a single submarine (in a berserk mode) able to face of against a carrier battle group. IMHO

just remember, the task to sink the whole PLAN is not ours.

we're merely spoilers here.

 

[NEKO]

just remember, the task to sink the whole PLAN is not ours.

we're merely spoilers here.

Maybe, but it is better to have that capability.
The cornered rat will bite the cat.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450911195217608704

Big facepalm*

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450911195217608704

Big facepalm*

Not surprising tho. Both of opv and opv90 from DRU?

 

[KanalKiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450911195217608704

Big facepalm*

another jokes, no wonder

 

[Van Kravchenko]

another jokes, no wonder

Well if you surf his tweet tou will find if at the first place He against AH 140 to installed with Sylver VLS.

Later statement He push so hard with AH140 and against Italian FREMM


What a nice show to watch in this dry season of purchasing Alutsista

 

[this is crunch]

*credit to their respective owners

just realize that soryu is far bigger than U214

 

[Lordimperator]

just realize that soryu is far bigger than U214

Will it be named as KRI Suryo if we got that sub wkwk

 

[KanalKiri]

Well if you surf his tweet tou will find if at the first place He against AH 140 to installed with Sylver VLS.

Later statement He push so hard with AH140 and against Italian FREMM


What a nice show to watch in this dry season of purchasing Alutsista

I am not waiting someone tweet, but effective contract itself

Btw, who is strong TNI-1 candidates nowaday? AP or YM general? Not much info on media

 

[Gessler]

Hi, can anyone tell me about the status of Indonesia's submarine acquisition program?

A while ago I heard that Indonesia was looking to acquire 4 Scorpene-class boats (alongside Rafale aircraft), what is the status of this deal?

 

[Gary]

Hi, can anyone tell me about the status of Indonesia's submarine acquisition program?

A while ago I heard that Indonesia was looking to acquire 4 Scorpene-class boats (alongside Rafale aircraft), what is the status of this deal?

This days acquisition usually comes with a surprise.

Look at the FREMM and Arrowhead acquisition,while it's anticipated, no one had any idea it will be purchased right until Janes or Babcock announced it.

Same with Rafale and the submarine acquisition, we might only know what's what when the announcement came.

Personally I'm betting on the Scorpene instead of the 214's, but who knows.

I also think it's unwise to left the Changbogo program considering we're on our way to build the 4th, 5th and 6th hull gradually on our own.

 

[NEKO]

I also think it's unwise to left the Changbogo program considering we're on our way to build the 4th, 5th and 6th hull gradually on our own.

Why the second batch of these boats will be build / assembled in SK?

 

[Gary]

Why the second batch of these boats will be build / assembled in SK?

The 4th-6th hull are planned to be assembled here, each with varying degree of local assembly.

If we decide not to continue with the C'Bogos, we'll have to start the learning curves back to square one for a new type of submarine.

So if we're aiming for 12 sub like the many reported, at least 6 of them should be Chang Bogo while the rest could be European ones.

Cancelling the contract will also jeopardize our defense relationship with SK.

Just my opinion.

 

[NEKO]

The 4th-6th hull are planned to be assembled here, each with varying degree of local assembly.

Why I always thinking that the second batch will be build in SK, just what and where did I read about that.

 

[Indos]

This days acquisition usually comes with a surprise.

Look at the FREMM and Arrowhead acquisition,while it's anticipated, no one had any idea it will be purchased right until Janes or Babcock announced it.

Same with Rafale and the submarine acquisition, we might only know what's what when the announcement came.

Personally I'm betting on the Scorpene instead of the 214's, but who knows.

I also think it's unwise to left the Changbogo program considering we're on our way to build the 4th, 5th and 6th hull gradually on our own.

FREMM contract is still not effective as Arrowhead is related to Iver contract that has been signed years before

What ever the OEM we will pick for submarine acquisition they must get PT PAL to construct the submarine wholly at least finish in 2026-2028. With Changbogo for new contract we will make it in stages as we know that first submarine ( 1 section built in PT PAL), second submarine (2 section built in PT PAL), and third submarine will be wholly built in PT PAL facility.

 

[Lordimperator]

Cancelling the contract will also jeopardize our defense relationship with SK.

Yes, we have been their largest arms consumer yet, like makassar LPD, t50, and these changbogos

If we decide not to continue with the C'Bogos, we'll have to start the learning curves back to square one for a new type of submarine.

are they, changbogo and u209 (mod1400) completely different sub? by any chance we decided to buy tkms u family sub. Will we losing the learning curves that we got from the batch i nagapasa?

 

[Lordimperator]

FREMM contract is still not effective as Arrowhead is related to Iver contract that has been signed years before

Arrowhead, or iver came from MEF 2 as the 3rd and 4th PKR. And hopefully FREMM could get the deal done in MEF 3.

that first submarine ( 1 section built in PT PAL), second submarine (2 section built in PT PAL), and third submarine will be wholly built in PT PAL facility.

Btw Indos, will PAL do the batch ii sequential or in parallel?