Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Umigami]

Why forcing it so much?

 

[Lordimperator]

Why forcing it so much?

Terma C Flex vs Havelsan Advent vs Thales Tacticos, any pros and cons from each of them?

 

[Ravager]

Terma C Flex vs Havelsan Advent vs Thales Tacticos, any pros and cons from each of them?

Political vs reliability ....

 

[Gary]

Tacticos is the one with the largest user base, has the most continuous improvement over time, and therefore maturity of system. Not to mention our long experience with using one and industrial link with Thales

 

[Anmdt]

has the most continuous improvement over time

Possibly not, but anyway they have the best advertisement, highest price tag and largest funding opportunities.

Not to mention our long experience with using one and industrial link with Thales

Actually, this supposed to be first matter as an advantage. Rest is highly subjective.

 

[this is crunch]

Terma C Flex vs Havelsan Advent vs Thales Tacticos, any pros and cons from each of them?

Can we use their system but integrate it with this form of CIC?

 

[Lordimperator]

Can we use their system but integrate it with this form of CIC? View attachment 64984 View attachment 64985 View attachment 64986

Maybe with more $$$ can buy the customized ver.

 

[Anmdt]

Maybe with more $$$ can buy the customized ver.

CCs and CMS are naturally customized to the user, that's part of the marketing plan.

 

[Lordimperator]

CCs and CMS are naturally customized to the user, that's part of the marketing plan.

Wondering what kind of customization will be made for the advent cms of twin opv 90.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749788212116251063

KRI Fatahilah refurbish scheme will be upgraded with Atmaca.


Edit:
41 KRI Refurbishment Programme

Installment of Atmaca SSM on KRI Parchim class, KCR class, Fatahilah class

Source
Lembaga Keris IG

Lembaga KERIS on Instagram: "pemasangan rudal atmaca"

820 likes, 89 comments - lembagakeris on January 23, 2024: "pemasangan rudal atmaca".

www.instagram.com

 

[Lordimperator]

So they will replaced all of the cms/ modified it with Havelsan?
big IF TRUE

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[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750209714858918070

Frigate Merah Putih with advent cms, atmaca ssm, gokdeniz ciws, hisar sam.
Will be delivered on 2026 and 2027

Midlas vls then? Also what will be the multifunction radar?

Edit:
Cafrad CFR fixed and cenk radar.
Src:

Muhammad Hilmi

Nah looh yook kita bedah spoiler dari gambar di bawah dari belakang ada - 1x 35mm Gokdeniz, - Rudal SSM Atmaca, - SAM Hisar O dan Hisar U, - CMS Advent - Multifunction radar pakai 4x Fix array...

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[norman88]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750209714858918070

Frigate Merah Putih with advent cms, atmaca ssm, gokdeniz ciws, hisar sam.
Will be delivered on 2026 and 2027

Midlas vls then? Also what will be the multifunction radar?

Edit:
Cafrad fixed and cenk radar.
Src:

Muhammad Hilmi

Nah looh yook kita bedah spoiler dari gambar di bawah dari belakang ada - 1x 35mm Gokdeniz, - Rudal SSM Atmaca, - SAM Hisar O dan Hisar U, - CMS Advent - Multifunction radar pakai 4x Fix array...

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I'm still wondering why Indonesia is trying hard to use unproven weapons from Turkiye, why not just mimic Poland's configuration?

Dual Radar SM-400 & NS-50
32 VLS SAM (can be with 16 vls quadpack CAMM-ER & 16 vls double pack CAMM-MR, 96 missiles)
16 AShM RBS-15
CMS Thales TACTICOS

 

[Lordimperator]

I'm still wondering why Indonesia is trying hard to use unproven weapons from Turkiye, why not just mimic Poland's configuration?

Dual Radar SM-400 & NS-50
32 VLS SAM (can be with 16 vls quadpack CAMM-ER & 16 vls double pack CAMM-MR, 96 missiles)
16 AShM RBS-15
CMS Thales TACTICOS

Whopping to 1billion for each ship,
I dont think we would be ready $$$

Miecznik for EUR 3.6 billion - all frigates (fully) armed - Naval News

On 12 December, the Armament Agency of Polish MoD and the PGZ-MIECZNIK consortium signed annex 4 to the main contract inked on 27 July 2021.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750209714858918070

Frigate Merah Putih with advent cms, atmaca ssm, gokdeniz ciws, hisar sam.
Will be delivered on 2026 and 2027

Midlas vls then? Also what will be the multifunction radar?

Edit:
Cafrad fixed and cenk radar.
Src:

Muhammad Hilmi

Nah looh yook kita bedah spoiler dari gambar di bawah dari belakang ada - 1x 35mm Gokdeniz, - Rudal SSM Atmaca, - SAM Hisar O dan Hisar U, - CMS Advent - Multifunction radar pakai 4x Fix array...

www.facebook.com

Well, They better work...

dan mudahan gak nyesel diakhiran

 

[Gary]

So Atmaca is selected as AShM. Doesn't that mean that the previous configuration of 40 VLS (24 SAM + 16 AShM) is dead?

Because I don't see Atmaca being launched from VLS

 

[Umigami]

Fiuh.... no Brahmos maksa config

 

[Gary]

My guess :

16x VLS for SAM
8x Canister for AShM

sad if true

 

[Lordimperator]

My guess :

16x VLS for SAM
8x Canister for AShM

sad if true

Well, still cant hope much with 1.1 bil for two fully armed 6000 tonnes frigates.
I am quite gratefull than using Mica vls as rumored years ago.

 

[Lordimperator]

Fiuh.... no Brahmos maksa config

Brahmos is good ashm, but the price tho, $$$ more or same as tomahawk cruise missile.