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If its type 209, maybe Tupi class from Brazil could be the solution. What about the Turkiye type 209?
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STM 500 presentation for Indonesia on Future Submarine International Seminar
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what are the available Li ion powered options ?, aside from Scorpene Evo
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Fraulein U212 & Soryu-chan
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We could see PTPAL UUV spec sheet, LOA
26 meter, diameter 4, 262 tonnes when submerged.
the internal of same UUV mock up displayed on the ID 2022, wondering if they are partnered with Diehl defense
26 meter, diameter 4, 262 tonnes when submerged.
the internal of same UUV mock up displayed on the ID 2022, wondering if they are partnered with Diehl defense
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Citra Shipyard Batam, was selected to build the Mother Ship (Moship) for the SRV-F (Submarine Rescue Vehicle).
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Larsen & Toubro SOV at seminar
midget Submarine
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A bit late but better late than never! Congratulations to Indonesia for the procurement of two scorpene submarines that will be produced in Indonesia! Do we know what Indonesia paid for these two submarines? Do we know what kind of technology transfer that took place?
When Naval group made one of the deals with India they published what India would get from the TOT.
When Naval group made one of the deals with India they published what India would get from the TOT.
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A bit late but better late than never! Congratulations to Indonesia for the procurement of two scorpene submarines that will be produced in Indonesia! Do we know what Indonesia paid for these two submarines? Do we know what kind of technology transfer that took place?
When Naval group made one of the deals with India they published what India would get from the TOT.
based on the table, the 2.16 bil scorpene evo still on process for the loan agreement
also the detail which local Industries will took part in Indonesia Scorpene could be seen from the naval group presentation
source
For Local industries:
non pressure hull steel by Krakatau steel, steering gear by pindad, paint material by jotun & Hempel, piping by Krakatau, fire fighting system, and Mainswitchboard, ESB by Tadakara SumberKaya.
the offset
"This scheme will see 30% of the total contract value returned to Indonesia in the form of technology transfer, offsets, and the opening of thousands of high-skilled jobs."
France Offers New 'Scorpene Evolved' Li-Ion Submarine to Indonesia - Naval News
In its latest proposal to the Indonesian Navy, France's Naval Group is offering the new Scorpene Evolved submarine with Lithium-Ion battery
www.navalnews.com
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Awesome deal, even if Scorpene seems to be very expensive I guess it's worth spending a good amount of more money on the Scorpene since it will involve more industrial cooperation. The most important is that the technology transfer is extensive and valuable. This seems to be the case regarding the deal.View attachment 68032
based on the table, the 2.16 bil scorpene evo still on process for the loan agreement
also the detail which local Industries will took part in Indonesia Scorpene could be seen from the naval group presentation
source View attachment 68033
For Local industries:
non pressure hull steel by Krakatau steel, steering gear by pindad, paint material by jotun & Hempel, piping by Krakatau, fire fighting system, and Mainswitchboard, ESB by Tadakara SumberKaya.
the offset
"This scheme will see 30% of the total contract value returned to Indonesia in the form of technology transfer, offsets, and the opening of thousands of high-skilled jobs."
France Offers New 'Scorpene Evolved' Li-Ion Submarine to Indonesia - Naval News
In its latest proposal to the Indonesian Navy, France's Naval Group is offering the new Scorpene Evolved submarine with Lithium-Ion battery
30% offset agreement, while it will create 1000 highly skilled workers as long as the submarine remains in service which will be a couple of decades. Congrats!
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Dorang-class Patrol Vessel, KRI Bawal - 875 now fitted with Leonardo OTO Marlin 40 ILOS turret instead of the earlier Bofors SAK-40/L70-520 turret taken from Teluk Semangka-class LST.
https://tni.mil.id/view-240319-sambut-kapal-perang-bko-guskamla-koarmada-iii-di-biak.html
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9 years... oh man...
With more countries going with Li ion battery submarines are AIPs still necessary? From what I can remember the Japanese switched to Li ion because AIPs don't give enough power for high speed maneuvers so they didn't think the extra endurance from AIP was tactically useful.
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Sauro class? There is still 4 boats in active service."Tidak menutup kemungkinan kita mengambil (membeli, red.) dari beberapa tempat, karena sebagaimana disampaikan Bapak Menhan (Prabowo Subianto, red.), kita butuh kapal selam yang banyak.
Dalam setahun terakhir, Laksamana Ali bersama beberapa pejabat Markas Besar TNI Angkatan Laut telah berkunjung ke beberapa negara dan bertemu dengan galangan kapal asing untuk melihat di antaranya teknologi kapal selam konvensional dan kapal selam nirawak (unmanned system). Beberapa negara itu antara lain Jerman, Uni Emirat Arab, Italia, dan China.
KSAL ungkap rencana usulkan pembelian kapal selam interim
Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Laut (KSAL) Laksamana TNI Muhammad Ali mengungkap TNI AL kemungkinan mengusulkan pembelian kapal selam untuk penggunaan sementara ...www.antaranews.com
Italy will replace Sauro class with U212 NFS.
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Latest On Indonesia’s Scorpène And Plan To Acquire Four More Submarines
Following the contract signing on March 28, Indonesia is now preparing the financing scheme and production facilities for the domestic construction of two Scorpène Evolved submarines. In parallel, the French government seems to have given its green light for Indonesia’s Scorpènes to be equipped with submarine-launched missiles and integrated with unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs).
Fauzan Malufti 19 May 2024
The Scorpène Evolved will be built by Indonesia’s state-owned shipbuilder, PT PAL Indonesia, in its shipyard complex in Surabaya City East Java, with the support from Naval Group. With a total cost of $2.16 billion, the Submarines should be delivered to the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) within 96 months or eight years of the contract’s effective date.
While the loan agreement that will finance the project is currently being worked on by the Indonesian Ministry of Finance, PT PAL has begun the process of upgrading its submarine production facilities. The upgrade will include constructing a new torpedo and electronic workshop and a new office for its submarine division.
Moreover, on April 18, Norway-based Syncrolift AS formalised a $15 million contract to supply PT PAL with a newly built ship lift and transfer system. PT PAL stated that the system will be 100 metres long and have a lifting capacity of 6,000 tonnes. It will be used for the production as well as maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) of submarines.
In addition, according to PT PAL, Indonesian engineers who will be involved in the Scorpène Evolved construction will be trained, certified, and supervised by the Naval Group as well as other relevant parties.
Green Light for SM39 and UUVs?
During the Future Submarine International Seminar & Showcase organised by the Indonesian Submariner Club between May 14 and 15 in Jakarta, Naval Group presented its Unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) solution that can be integrated with Indonesia’s future Scorpène. Depending on user needs, the UUVs can carry out various types of missions, including special forces support as well as intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR).
MBDA also presented its SM39 B2 Mod 2, the submarine-launched variant of the Exocet missile family, that can be launched from Scorpène’s torpedo tubes.
These presentations suggested that the French Government had approved Indonesia’s potential purchase of the aforementioned systems. On many occasions, including during the seminar, TNI AL officials have conveyed the silent service’s desire for its future submarine fleet to not only rely on torpedoes and onboard sensors.
LIBs Technology & Four More Submarines
The seminar was attended by TNI AL Chief of Staff, Admiral Muhammad Ali, who also came from the submarine corps and once commanded KRI Nanggala (402) which went on eternal patrol in April 2021.
Apart from commenting on the ongoing collaboration between Naval Group and PT PAL, during the seminar, Admiral Ali unveiled the navy’s plan to construct more submarine bases across the country and, in the near future, procure interim submarines.
He added that the interim submarines could be sourced from “countries he has visited”. Furthermore, the admiral reiterated that TNI AL needs at least 12 ‘full-size’ submarines to cover Indonesia’s vast maritime territory and pointed out the potential use of smaller or even unmanned submarines.
Admiral Ali also outlined some key requirements for TNI AL’s future submarine fleet; advanced propulsion system, resilient power sources such as lithium-ion batteries (LIBs), air-independent propulsion (AIP), and nuclear, as well as multi-domain warfare capability.
To note, during a recent interview at the Naval Group shipyard in Lorient, Admiral Ali told Naval News that he had visited Saft lithium-ion batteries factory in France.
Meanwhile, the Director General of Defence Power of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, RADM Bambang Irwanto, underlined the need to focus on LIBs technology as the ministry has selected Scorpène Evolved. RADM Bambang also mentioned that the navy has put forward a proposal to acquire four additional new submarines, with two slated for acquisition between 2025 and 2029 and the other pair between 2035 to 2039.
Naval News understands that France, Germany, Italy, and Turkey are currently the primary contenders to supply these additional submarines.
Read more:
Latest on Indonesia’s Scorpène and Plan to Acquire Four More Submarines - Naval News
The Scorpène Evolved will be built in Indonesia by PT PAL with the support from Naval Group. They could be fitted with Exocet SM39 and UUVs.
www.navalnews.com
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It seems that the TNI AL really does not want changbogo batch II (3 units).Latest On Indonesia’s Scorpène And Plan To Acquire Four More Submarines
Following the contract signing on March 28, Indonesia is now preparing the financing scheme and production facilities for the domestic construction of two Scorpène Evolved submarines. In parallel, the French government seems to have given its green light for Indonesia’s Scorpènes to be equipped with submarine-launched missiles and integrated with unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs).
Fauzan Malufti 19 May 2024
The Scorpène Evolved will be built by Indonesia’s state-owned shipbuilder, PT PAL Indonesia, in its shipyard complex in Surabaya City East Java, with the support from Naval Group. With a total cost of $2.16 billion, the Submarines should be delivered to the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) within 96 months or eight years of the contract’s effective date.
PT PAL’s submarine production facilities in East Java. PT PAL Picture
While the loan agreement that will finance the project is currently being worked on by the Indonesian Ministry of Finance, PT PAL has begun the process of upgrading its submarine production facilities. The upgrade will include constructing a new torpedo and electronic workshop and a new office for its submarine division.
Moreover, on April 18, Norway-based Syncrolift AS formalised a $15 million contract to supply PT PAL with a newly built ship lift and transfer system. PT PAL stated that the system will be 100 metres long and have a lifting capacity of 6,000 tonnes. It will be used for the production as well as maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) of submarines.
In addition, according to PT PAL, Indonesian engineers who will be involved in the Scorpène Evolved construction will be trained, certified, and supervised by the Naval Group as well as other relevant parties.
Green Light for SM39 and UUVs?
Naval Group Explaining Submarine-UUVs Integration during the Submarine Seminar in Jakarta (14/7). Naval News Picture.
During the Future Submarine International Seminar & Showcase organised by the Indonesian Submariner Club between May 14 and 15 in Jakarta, Naval Group presented its Unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) solution that can be integrated with Indonesia’s future Scorpène. Depending on user needs, the UUVs can carry out various types of missions, including special forces support as well as intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR).
MBDA Presenting Exocet SM39 during the Submarine Seminar in Jakarta (14/7). Naval News Picture.
MBDA also presented its SM39 B2 Mod 2, the submarine-launched variant of the Exocet missile family, that can be launched from Scorpène’s torpedo tubes.
These presentations suggested that the French Government had approved Indonesia’s potential purchase of the aforementioned systems. On many occasions, including during the seminar, TNI AL officials have conveyed the silent service’s desire for its future submarine fleet to not only rely on torpedoes and onboard sensors.
LIBs Technology & Four More Submarines
The seminar was attended by TNI AL Chief of Staff, Admiral Muhammad Ali, who also came from the submarine corps and once commanded KRI Nanggala (402) which went on eternal patrol in April 2021.
Admiral Muhammad Ali at the Submarine Seminar in Jakarta (May 14). Naval News Picture.
Apart from commenting on the ongoing collaboration between Naval Group and PT PAL, during the seminar, Admiral Ali unveiled the navy’s plan to construct more submarine bases across the country and, in the near future, procure interim submarines.
He added that the interim submarines could be sourced from “countries he has visited”. Furthermore, the admiral reiterated that TNI AL needs at least 12 ‘full-size’ submarines to cover Indonesia’s vast maritime territory and pointed out the potential use of smaller or even unmanned submarines.
Key requirements of Indonesia’s future submarines being presented during the Submarine Seminar in Jakarta (May 14). Naval News Picture.
Admiral Ali also outlined some key requirements for TNI AL’s future submarine fleet; advanced propulsion system, resilient power sources such as lithium-ion batteries (LIBs), air-independent propulsion (AIP), and nuclear, as well as multi-domain warfare capability.
To note, during a recent interview at the Naval Group shipyard in Lorient, Admiral Ali told Naval News that he had visited Saft lithium-ion batteries factory in France.
Meanwhile, the Director General of Defence Power of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, RADM Bambang Irwanto, underlined the need to focus on LIBs technology as the ministry has selected Scorpène Evolved. RADM Bambang also mentioned that the navy has put forward a proposal to acquire four additional new submarines, with two slated for acquisition between 2025 and 2029 and the other pair between 2035 to 2039.
Naval News understands that France, Germany, Italy, and Turkey are currently the primary contenders to supply these additional submarines.
Read more:
Latest on Indonesia’s Scorpène and Plan to Acquire Four More Submarines - Naval News
The Scorpène Evolved will be built in Indonesia by PT PAL with the support from Naval Group. They could be fitted with Exocet SM39 and UUVs.
