Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

https://indonesiadefense.com/selain-ppa-italia-tni-al-akan-diperkuat-fregat-turki/

Oh man, now from Turkiye

TF2000? Istanbul? Dearsan 142?

 

[Umigami]

TF2000? Istanbul? Dearsan 142?

She said something not build yet

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833747457542660554

 

[Lordimperator]

She said something not build yet

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833747457542660554

@Madokafc
TF2000?

 

[satria]

KSAL ungkap Jerman dan Turki tawarkan kapal selamnya untuk RI

Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Laut (KSAL) Laksamana TNI Muhammad Ali mengungkap beberapa negara di Eropa dan Asia menawarkan teknologi kapal selam mereka untuk ...

www.antaranews.com

Submarine form Italia, German & Turkiye

TNI AL datangkan kapal PPA dari Italia dan Fregat buatan Turki

Jajaran TNI AL akan memperkuat kekuatan militer dengan mendatangkan kapal perang untuk berpatroli atau yang biasa disebut Pattugliatore Polivalente ...

m.antaranews.com

 

[Sanchez]

This is different than Merah Putih with Turkish subsystems and will be a Turkish designed ship, correct? Interesting.

 

[Umigami]

This is different than Merah Putih with Turkish subsystems and will be a Turkish designed ship, correct? Interesting.

Yes, personally I hope it's destroyer instead of frigate

 

[Sanchez]

Yes, personally I hope it's destroyer instead of frigate

TBH, I would expect Indonesia to initially go with Turkish OPVs and Italian destroyers, and this is uncharted waters now.

TF-2000 is a great prospect, but the design itself is not finalized yet. First hull is not yet in production and suffice to say it will take at least 3-4 years for the first ship to become a product. I'm not sure if they are thinking about exports at this stage, would be a big surprise. Asfat's AS3600 could be one other prospect i think.

@Anmdt, what do you think?

 

[Lordimperator]

This is different than Merah Putih with Turkish subsystems and will be a Turkish designed ship, correct? Interesting.

So far, Merah Putih Frigate will be fitted with Italian Kronos MFR and Athena CMS. But for the vls will be fitted with Midlas

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833798473608749085

alright, he mentioned it, difinitely something happening in the background

 

[Anmdt]

TBH, I would expect Indonesia to initially go with Turkish OPVs and Italian destroyers, and this is uncharted waters now.

TF-2000 is a great prospect, but the design itself is not finalized yet. First hull is not yet in production and suffice to say it will take at least 3-4 years for the first ship to become a product. I'm not sure if they are thinking about exports at this stage, would be a big surprise. Asfat's AS3600 could be one other prospect i think.

@Anmdt, what do you think?

Last time I checked, the Turkish Navy was not open to cooperation on the first batch of TF-2000s, and they are focusing on a design that will primarily serve their needs. In the later blocks, after SSB and any other company signs a contract with the Navy and gets design rights, they can get it modified for the customer as per a cooperating dictates.

So there won't be a "jointly designed/manufactured" TF-2000.

ASFAT's AS3600 is also not on the agenda of ASFAT anymore. ASFAT is focusing into another field currently.

Moreover, the new sources state that the ship will be brought in 1-2 years, indicating a production in Turkey (correct me if I am wrong here @Umigami). If it is referring to the start of construction within 1-2 years and the availability of the design so far, then it is possible that it is a TAIS design.

We shall also note that TAIS has made deals with Indonesia, many seem to miss it but it involves several patrol vessels and missile boats that could be misinterpreted by the newsmaker - as in military ship to frigate to assume.

 

[NEKO]

Yes, personally I hope it's destroyer instead of frigate

I hope its something smaller.

 

[Zinan 二]

She said something not build yet

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833747457542660554

Who is she??
Mado?
Mado is men lmaooo

 

[FPXAllen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833798473608749085

alright, he mentioned it, difinitely something happening in the background

Where did he get the number of three suppliers as the maximum for diversification?

On the other hand, he does have a point — if most of our upcoming armament and weapon systems will come from Turkiye to the point that they become the prominent source, that is. However, after interviewing several Turkish defence officials I've met over the past few years, I've gained the impression that Turkiye is fully committed to offering collaboration in the SEA region, especially to Indonesia and Malaysia — something I haven't observed to the same extent with most Western European nations.

 

[NEKO]

Where did he get the number of three suppliers as the maximum for diversification?

On the other hand, he does have a point — if most of our upcoming armament and weapon systems will come from Turkiye to the point that they become the prominent source, that is. However, after interviewing several Turkish defence officials I've met over the past few years, I've gained the impression that Turkiye is fully committed to offering collaboration in the SEA region, especially to Indonesia and Malaysia — something I haven't observed to the same extent with most Western European nations.

As a relatively new player on international market they need to offer more.

Mumpung masa promo, bisa dipertimbangkan untuk diambil. Apalagi kalau ada ote ote nya.

 

[norman88]

Last time I checked, the Turkish Navy was not open to cooperation on the first batch of TF-2000s, and they are focusing on a design that will primarily serve their needs. In the later blocks, after SSB and any other company signs a contract with the Navy and gets design rights, they can get it modified for the customer as per a cooperating dictates.

So there won't be a "jointly designed/manufactured" TF-2000.

ASFAT's AS3600 is also not on the agenda of ASFAT anymore. ASFAT is focusing into another field currently.

Moreover, the new sources state that the ship will be brought in 1-2 years, indicating a production in Turkey (correct me if I am wrong here @Umigami). If it is referring to the start of construction within 1-2 years and the availability of the design so far, then it is possible that it is a TAIS design.

We shall also note that TAIS has made deals with Indonesia, many seem to miss it but it involves several patrol vessels and missile boats that could be misinterpreted by the newsmaker - as in military ship to frigate to assume.

Is there a possibility that the Turkish Istanbul-class ships currently being built could be transferred to Indonesia, similar to the PPA case?

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833852940173631511

Whats the odd ITS Garibaldi become to be KRI Multatuli replacement?