Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

MEF III the plan is to order all of them from foreign shipyard to fulfill the target on time

All of them? Thats good to heard, pt pal can focus to build their "iver"

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417022052033187840

 

[Madokafc]

There is Merlin Naval gun batch IV and 40 mm Dardo gun batch I

 

[this is crunch]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417022052033187840

We should increase number of our ship patrolling northern EEZ line

the Haijing seems can go in and out easily, not a new things but it's still not a good news

 

[Madokafc]

We should increase number of our ship patrolling northern EEZ line

the Haijing seems can go in and out easily, not a new things but it's still not a good news

That's why they built cheaper OPV

 

[RajaSultanKing]

https://www.facebook.com/181276675314017/posts/3826940420747606

PAL still pushing for Nagapasa Class ?

wasn't there some disagreement within AL/Kemhan regarding the performance of Nagapasa? is it already rectified?

 

[Gary]

We should increase number of our ship patrolling northern EEZ line

the Haijing seems can go in and out easily, not a new things but it's still not a good news

Yea but please not corvette or Frigates, OPV should do this job and especially Bakamla.

Need more Tanjung Dato OPV.

 

[NEKO]

the Haijing seems can go in and out easily, not a

Because EEZ and not territorial water, can't do much about it.

wasn't there some disagreement within AL/Kemhan regarding the performance of Nagapasa? is it already rectified?

Factory sea trials were started in July 2016, but took longer than planned to fix a couple of issues (in particular, a lower than expected full speed underwater was detected), as a result, the transfer of the Nagapasa to the Indonesian Navy took place on August 2, 2017, nine month later than what was set in the contract.

Indonesia's PT PAL Launched its First Locally Built Submarine for TNI AL - Naval News

Indonesian state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL launched the first diesel-electric submarine built in Indonesia on April 11, 2019 in Surabaya. The Alugoro (405) is the third of the Nagapasa-class submarine (also known as the DSME 1400 design or Improved Chang Bogo-class) for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL).

www.navalnews.com

Alugoro took about 5 year from construction to commissioning, from that PAL pic construction time for submarine is 5 year is that for another nagapasa or something else?
If its nagapasa class they should build it every 4 year or so, when the boat is waiting for commisioning they should start building another one.

 

[kantokuukai]

PT PAL will be super busy in the next few years since many projects both surface and underwater vehicles will keep them on a tight schedule. I wonder how PT PAL manage to cope with those busy schedules to avoid the penalty.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Because EEZ and not territorial water, can't do much about it.

Not exactly. Once they are showing a clear indication beyond any reason of doubt that they are supporting any kind of economic activity, then we can move in to prosecute (assuming we do have the capability to do so). WE can also prosecute them once they enter the 24 nm contiguous line on the pretext of security concern.

I wonder how PT PAL manage to cope with those busy schedules to avoid the penalty.

By paying the said penalty as per contract

 

[NEKO]

Does Bakamla have plans about how many fleet, bases, ship(80 -110 m) etc, or they just make do with the budget that they have. While the navy have their target for MEF, after getting 3-80m and 1-110 m ship there is no sign of more order, good progress at first but how about now? Are they trying to focus for human resources first for now? They built that training facility with US help after all.

 

[NEKO]

PT PAL will be super busy in the next few years since many projects both surface and underwater vehicles will keep them on a tight schedule. I wonder how PT PAL manage to cope with those busy schedules to avoid the penalty.

They just need to plan it carefully, try not to screw up like Gowind LCS.

 

[Madokafc]

Does Bakamla have plans about how many fleet, bases, ship(80 -110 m) etc, or they just make do with the budget that they have. While the navy have their target for MEF, after getting 3-80m and 1-110 m ship there is no sign of more order, good progress at first but how about now? Are they trying to focus for human resources first for now? They built that training facility with US help after all.

Bakamla only got meager budget yearly, only around 31 million US Dollar. Without more incentive they can't get nowhere

 

[kantokuukai]

Instead of one yearly budget, BAKAMLA should use the multi-year budget to procure their vessel.

 

[Madokafc]

Instead of one yearly budget, BAKAMLA should use the multi-year budget to procure their vessel.

You can't squeeze much from such meagre budget. They need budget for operational duty and this not cheap at all. They need a significant raise in budget, at least Ten to 14 trillion rupiah would do wonder

 

[NEKO]

That's second MEF programme btw, so for MEF III the plan is to order all of them from foreign shipyard to fulfill the target on time

I hope that they think carefully about this but if having new submarine that have weight more that what PAL can build is really important and necessary, I hope that MoD still order submarine from PAL either nagapasa class or other for 2024+, Submarine is 1 of 7 "Program Prioritas" after all and I don't like it if they just abandon it half way.

Tinjauan kemampuan teknologi Industri Pertahanan menggunakan variable Technology Readiness Level (TRL) dan Manufacture Readiness Level (MRL) dimana TRL Roket, Medium Tank dan Kapal Selam diharapkan pada tahun 2024 mencapai Nilai 8 dan 9, sehingga dapat diproduksi massal.

KKIP dalam Rapim Kemhan TNI dan Polri 2020 | KKIP Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan

www.kkip.go.id

 

[Gundala]

Because EEZ and not territorial water, can't do much about it.

Factory sea trials were started in July 2016, but took longer than planned to fix a couple of issues (in particular, a lower than expected full speed underwater was detected), as a result, the transfer of the Nagapasa to the Indonesian Navy took place on August 2, 2017, nine month later than what was set in the contract.

Indonesia's PT PAL Launched its First Locally Built Submarine for TNI AL - Naval News

Indonesian state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL launched the first diesel-electric submarine built in Indonesia on April 11, 2019 in Surabaya. The Alugoro (405) is the third of the Nagapasa-class submarine (also known as the DSME 1400 design or Improved Chang Bogo-class) for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL).

www.navalnews.com

Alugoro took about 5 year from construction to commissioning, from that PAL pic construction time for submarine is 5 year is that for another nagapasa or something else?
If its nagapasa class they should build it every 4 year or so, when the boat is waiting for commisioning they should start building another one.

I personally dont mind if there are some technical issues come up during this program, specially with Alugoro/PTPAL. They need the learning curve and as long as they can identify the issues and resolve it then its fine. Im more worry if the second batch program being cancelled without any clearity on what they going to do with the "Partial" knowledge they have acquired expensively. To continue the batch II PT.Pal going to need torpedo allignment machinery that going to be fulfilled by penyertaan modal negara. All have been prepared so I just hope if they can get it going regardless this "issue" I have been hearing about the contract.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417684637036335105

 

[trishna_amrta]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417684637036335105

Any idea which islands it was?
IMO, our outlying islands at northern border area (both in ALKI I & ALKI II) need serious presence of both civilian gov't and TNI. The grassroot sentiment there isn't exactly favourable toward . thus, worrisome.

 

[satria]

2 MPA Aircract n few KRI search for Fisherman in West Kalimantan