Indonesia Indonesian Strategic Industries

[Madokafc]

About PT DI, user and Government as funder of market activity here, there is several fatal flaw in which resulted in marginal results of PT DI market strategy along with their work style.

One, about the exact identity of PT DI, are they aircraft maker and assemble or including designer and research development? Those two are very different concept actually. And of course if they are become both of them, which one is more pronounced and become their main business activity?

Second, PT DI should not act as custom garage seller of their aircraft products, as most of their products is custom Made unit without much uniformity between each other for their system this quite apparent on their CN 235 and helicopters units. Each aircraft system need certification need test and research development, which mean more time and money

Third, simplify production line facilities with automation

 

[satria]

other type Basarnas ship

KN 247 Tetuka for Banten

lauching Basarnas ship and another KRI soon launch ..

 

[Var Dracon]

other type Basarnas ship

KN 247 Tetuka for Banten

lauching Basarnas ship and another KRI soon launch ..

50 million IDR (3509000 USD) with 300 m (depth) sonar? That's cheap. Anyone got the info on the specs? The material used?

 

[Var Dracon]

Throwback Thursday: When Indonesia could build engines and machines

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[Var Dracon]

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[Madokafc]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQAHTPqDQ_Y/

 

[this is crunch]

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whoa i thought Perkasa - Texmaco is already dead
i remember that Perkasa Truck for military use, but there is no continuation for that program

 

[Var Dracon]

whoa i thought Perkasa - Texmaco is already dead
i remember that Perkasa Truck for military use, but there is no continuation for that program

It is dead, nobody saying they got revived

 

[FPXAllen]

Re: dead programs,

I somehow recall the Gudel project back then in the old formil. Granted, it was not as 'sexy' as Pindad Komodo or the likes, but it was still an interesting project that went nowhere after "testing".

Anyway, I'm still a bit partial about PTDI's Gandiwa concept:

Unfortunately this won't ever becomes reality although I'll be more than glad to be proven wrong.

 

[Var Dracon]

Re: dead programs,

I somehow recall the Gudel project back then in the old formil. Granted, it was not as 'sexy' as Pindad Komodo or the likes, but it was still an interesting project that went nowhere after "testing".

Anyway, I'm still a bit partial about PTDI's Gandiwa concept:

Unfortunately this won't ever becomes reality although I'll be more than glad to be proven wrong.

Well, an armed UAV nowadays could arguably deliver the same firepower offered by this heli. Need to remind this was more like light attack heli, not like our current Apache. Looking at the specs, it is even lighter than HAL LCA, but at least on par with Z-19 and OH-1

HAL Prachand - Wikipedia

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Harbin Z-19 - Wikipedia

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Kawasaki OH-1 - Wikipedia

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[FPXAllen]

Well, an armed UAV nowadays could arguably deliver the same firepower offered by this heli. Need to remind this was more like light attack heli, not like our current Apache. Looking at the specs, it is even lighter than HAL LCA, but at least on par with Z-19 and OH-1

Of course, I'm aware that this concept wasn't meant to take on Apache or Mi-35. In my eyes, it's somehow akin to Harimau tank compared to Leopard 2. While Gandiwa can be used for anti-armor role, but realistically if it ever built I think it will be armed with 70 mm laser guided rockets at most.

And while we already have some light attack capable helos, but having one specifically designed for this role which was our own design (although it's still based on Bell-412), is going to have some positive effects - as well as resistances.

Re: Armed UAV, you're right of course. But if we take it further, then an UCAV armed with Hellfire missiles can also deliver the same punch as Apache. That doesn't mean attack helos like Apache aren't needed anymore.

All in all, don't worry. I won't dream of seeing the concept go beyond drawing board or some kind of models for show.

 

[Anmdt]

Re: Armed UAV, you're right of course. But if we take it further, then an UCAV armed with Hellfire missiles can also deliver the same punch as Apache. That doesn't mean attack helos like Apache aren't needed anymore.

I raise MUMT-X.
Individually they are good, combined it is the best.

 

[Madokafc]

I raise MUMT-X.
Individually they are good, combined it is the best.

Elang Hitam would be certified with Turkish Made weaponry

 

[FPXAllen]

I raise MUMT-X.
Individually they are good, combined it is the best.

Elang Hitam would be certified with Turkish Made weaponry

Did you guys meant this?

Mini Akıllı Mühimmat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Anmdt]

I raise MUMT-X.
Individually they are good, combined it is the best.

MUMT-X is not MAM,but Manned-Unmanned team:
Helicopter pilot or gunner gets an uplink to an UAV, either controls it, or feeds intelligence data or at the latest stage can operate and designate targets.
In some cases it is extended by launching kamikaze-loitering drones from helicopters as well and using it is a sensor or missile.

Manned-Unmanned Teaming - Joint Air Power Competence Centre

Introduction In the next decade, a number of nations will replace or update their current helicopter fleets.1 Aware of this, the NATO community has set up different working/study groups, to determine the requirements for the new generation of combat/transport helicopters. Manned-Unmanned Teaming...

www.japcc.org

Elang Hitam would be certified with Turkish Made weaponry

Did you guys meant this?

Mini Akıllı Mühimmat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FPXAllen]

MUMT-X is not MAM,but Manned-Unmanned team:
Helicopter pilot or gunner gets an uplink to an UAV, either controls it, or feeds intelligence data or at the latest stage can operate and designate targets.
In some cases it is extended by launching kamikaze-loitering drones from helicopters as well and using it is a sensor or missile.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation.

While I knew that such system is already in the development for future combat systems, but I'm still unfamiliar with the terms.

Am I right to think that this basically turns the platform, say, an attack helicopter, into a flying tactical command center which controls its own "troops" (ucav or loitering munitions)?

If that so, wouldn't a newly developed platform is probably a better option since it can be designed from the ground up for this purpose - rather than modifying existing platforms for this?

 

[Anmdt]

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation.

While I knew that such system is already in the development for future combat systems, but I'm still unfamiliar with the terms.

Am I right to think that this basically turns the platform, say, an attack helicopter, into a flying tactical command center which controls its own "troops" (ucav or loitering munitions)?

If that so, wouldn't a newly developed platform is probably a better option since it can be designed from the ground up for this purpose - rather than modifying existing platforms for this?

If it is a country establishing a new helicopter fleet it is logical to design it from scratch for that purpose.
But since this tech is being adopted by countries with existing fleet, and moreover they have been trying to do in different levels over the last decades, it is more like an adaptation on existing platforms gradually being matured as tech improves.

 

[R4duga]

behold , INDOBORONIMPORT

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...s-high-with-new-defence-holding-company_18363

16 JUNE 2021

Indonesia aims high with new defence holding company​

by Jon Grevatt

The Indonesian government is aiming to establish a new holding firm, which will combine the capabilities of the country's state-owed defence industrial base, before the end of 2021.

The aim of the so-called ‘Defence Industry BUMN Holding' company is to promote collaboration across Indonesia's biggest defence firms in meeting the requirements of the Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI).

Other priorities are to support increasing efforts to reduce military imports and stimulate industrial growth and jobs.

Indonesia has proposed a joint holding company that will oversee major state projects such as the production of the country's new Harimau medium tank (pictured). (Janes/Patrick Allen)
The holding company effort is being led by the Indonesian Ministry of State Owned Enterprises, also known as BUMN. Defence electronics specialist PT Len Industri, based in Bandung, has been nominated as the lead company in the new holding firm.

Pahala Mansury, deputy minister of BUMN, said in a recent online defence industry conference that the holding firm, once operational, will “provide benefits not only for the government and state-owed enterprises but also the defence ecosystem as a whole”.

Janes understands from an Indonesian industry source that the government aims to formally establish the holding company by the fourth quarter of 2021.

Janes also understands that the company will initially be focused on developing and providing capability across three industrial areas: land-based combat power including tanks; propulsion technologies; and cyber defence technologies.

Other priorities include naval shipbuilding and aerospace, especially fighter aircraft. In advanced areas, such as fighter aircraft, the emphasis of the holding company will be on the production support and the provision of maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO).

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesia aims high with new defence holding company​

by Jon Grevatt



The Indonesian government is aiming to establish a new holding firm, which will combine the capabilities of the country's state-owed defence industrial base, before the end of 2021.

The aim of the so-called ‘Defence Industry BUMN Holding' company is to promote collaboration across Indonesia's biggest defence firms in meeting the requirements of the Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI).

Other priorities are to support increasing efforts to reduce military imports and stimulate industrial growth and jobs.

Indonesia has proposed a joint holding company that will oversee major state projects such as the production of the country's new Harimau medium tank (pictured). (Janes/Patrick Allen)
The holding company effort is being led by the Indonesian Ministry of State Owned Enterprises, also known as BUMN. Defence electronics specialist PT Len Industri, based in Bandung, has been nominated as the lead company in the new holding firm.

Pahala Mansury, deputy minister of BUMN, said in a recent online defence industry conference that the holding firm, once operational, will “provide benefits not only for the government and state-owed enterprises but also the defence ecosystem as a whole”.

Janes understands from an Indonesian industry source that the government aims to formally establish the holding company by the fourth quarter of 2021.

Janes also understands that the company will initially be focused on developing and providing capability across three industrial areas: land-based combat power including tanks; propulsion technologies; and cyber defence technologies.

Other priorities include naval shipbuilding and aerospace, especially fighter aircraft. In advanced areas, such as fighter aircraft, the emphasis of the holding company will be on the production support and the provision of maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO).

Indonesia aims high with new defence holding company

The Indonesian government is aiming to establish a new holding firm, which will combine the capabilities of the country's state-owed defence industrial base, before the...

www.janes.com

 

[Mandala]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1405606420515459073