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Does this thorium reactor is type of nuclear one ? and if something go wrong does it conteminate the land or its clean energy ?
 

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Thorium reactors produce 6/1000 of the waste produced by uranium reactors as it says in that twitter thread. Another huge benefit is its safety. Uranium reactors have Chernobyl-like accidents when the core melts down. But here you are already working with molten salt so there is nothing to melt down. You can also find thorium much more easily compared to uranium and it doesn't lead to nuclear weapons.

All in all, this is what we should be building with the entire budget of the energy ministry once it becomes viable. Solar and wind are not that reliable and solar panels in particular need a lot of hard to find raw material to build.

By the way, if there is no typo, 3000 MW is quite a strong reactor. The nuclear reactors we are building in Akkuyu are 1200 MW each.
 

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If i remember correctly, the main benefit of thorium is that no radioactive waste is left behind. It is extremely safe.


Looks like Thorium makes more change then this...

 

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FIGES to Design New Generation Thorium-Fueled Molten Salt Nuclear Reactor with company resources


Taking a step forward in the new generation nuclear reactor research, FİGES has started the “Molten Salt Reactors Conceptual Design Development Project,” by committing its own resources. The company expects to complete the Thorium-fueled MSR design project in the medium term.

Having recently strengthened the company’s human resources in all branches of engineering, especially in the field of artificial intelligence, FİGES (abbr. Computer Simulation in Physics and Geometry) intends to increase the focus on the company’s nuclear technology studies, which was first started in 2017. The company has committed its own resources into the “Molten Salt Reactors Conceptual Design Development Project” in an attempt to take a step forward in the new generation nuclear reactor research.

Noting that various private/public enterprises, especially in the pioneering countries like EU-member states, the USA, China, and India, have already made significant investments in the Molten Salt Reactors (MSR), Dr. Tarık Öğüt, the Founder and Chairman of FİGES, said “Our goal is to develop the MSR conceptual design by using our national and domestic resources. In addition to generating electricity, the MSR technology can put Turkey’s thorium-rich resources into use and is capable of generating high-temperature heat energy and cheap hydrogen, as well as meeting the industrial and urban demand for the heat energy, and it can also generate the necessary resources to produce low-cost drinking water from sea water. We expect that the conceptual reactor design will have been achieved by the medium term.”

Expressing the company’s intention to focus on learning and developing the technology by committing its own resources in order to improve the MSR technology in Turkey, Tarık Öğüt alluded to FİGES’ participation in the EU-funded SAMOFAR project of 2019 as an active observer along with the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TÜBİTAK), in which the company successfully delivered the heat exchanger design works of the MSR-type EVOL reactor with 3 thousand MW thermal power developed by the EU organizations. Öğüt, added that his company leads the transfer of technological information by maintaining close relationships with this consortium, which includes several prominent players in the nuclear technology (CEA CNRS, Areva, and EDF of France, PSI of Switzerland, TU-Delft of the Netherlands, CIRTEN of Italy, and EU Joint Research Centre).

Cooperation for a pilot plant in the separation of rare earth elements
Mentioning the company’s studies in the separation and purification of the rare earth elements by using solvent extraction methods, Tarık Öğüt emphasized that they have provided the “rare earth elements, baryte, fluorite and thorium” separation pilot plant, which is in the foundation stage under the supervision of the Directorate General of Eti Mine Works of Turkey, with consultancy services in the licensing application process before the Nuclear Regulatory Authority.

Noting that the company’s technical support and consultancy services in the maritime and automotive industry, as well as other sectors, have been continued with the same degree of determination, Öğüt said, “Our R&D projects in all these areas were conducted with the company’s resources. In the meantime, we have provided hundreds of new-grad engineers with professional training on R&D technologies through Build-Up Academy.”



 

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WHICH NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY? 4TH GEN REACTOR TECHNOLOGIES
In the field of nuclear power of today, 3rd gen reactors are the most commonly used. But the 3rd gen cannot be the national reactor technology of Turkey for several reasons including:

3rd gen reactors are old with a technology that is not thoroughly known.
There are only a couple of designs used all around the world, which cannot be further developed in the current state.
Giant nuclear companies monopolized technology.
The fuel needs of the 3rd gen reactors will have to be supplied by 3-4 foreign companies for 5 long decades which will create foreign dependency for energy. Also, fuel production is a complex and expensive technology that require high capital investment.

Moreover, the investment and operation costs of the 3rd generation reactors have increased immensely due to safety problems: 4,6-7,2 bn USD=> 1000 MW-e reactor.

WHAT IS THE NEW-GEN REACTOR?

Melted Salt Reactor (MSR) is the 4th Gen Nuclear Reactor technology that runs on Melted Uranium-Thorium salts and is selected by Gen IV International Forum (GIF).



THE MSR TECHNOLOGY WILL IMPROVE TURKEY’S REPUTATION AND SIGNIFICANCE ON THE GLOBAL SCALE

The only way for Turkey to have nuclear power is through the establishment of the MSR technology.

It is clear that the countries with nuclear reactors and nuclear fuel technology have political significance on the global scale.

Turkey’s own resources of thorium will be converted into energy resources.

Additionally, major contributions will be added to the country’s economy with great initiatives in the fields of multi-disciplinary engineering, material sciences, and nuclear technology.

One of the most notable features of the new gen MSR is that it can use the long-term wastes of the Gen III and III+ reactors (i.e., Akkuyu) as fuel in addition to thorium and uranium.

Moreover, the molten salt reactors produce 300 times less waste than it utilizes.


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Karsan, Launches e-ATA HYDROGEN
in Germany!

e-ATA HYDROGEN
Becomes the Star of Hannover Fair

Karsan Starts the Hydrogen Era!

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Interview of Dr. Resat Uzmen, Nuclear Technology Director of FIGES :


In this article they are also asking Dr. Uzmen what he thinks about the cooperation with Rosatom and the Akkuyu Nuclear Plant. He said this cooperation will not provide any nuclear technology to Turkiye.
 

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@Nilgiri did you know about this ?

A heat exchanger is good news of course (illustrating crucial steps of applied knowhow for heat transfer esp in turbulent regime for liquid metals which is a frontier discipline of research).

But it is relatively early days AFAIK that maybe the tweet does not convey enough.

A number of incredible challenges rest with things like the pumping and piping system w.r.t their materials and proper mitigations (given what high temperature + corrosive molten salts are).

Things like specialised surface treatment of pipes (essentially advanced metallurgy) and a whole different (new) class of pumps needed.

There are also further unique issues present for flow modelling and pressure drops (to design sensitive components like the pump impellers well and know their operating constraints reliably).

These all need physical models and prototypes to learn and calibrate things from...and develop an optimised CFD code

CFD code like say China and India are in process of implementing, taking the large body of work + prototypes US developed in early cold war in the 50s and 60s (before abandoning it for more mainstream reactor development) for subsequent modelling, design, control systems and prototype manufacture.

I can provide references and papers for these things to any folks that are interested to read them.

Maturing of a design needs small reactor prototypes first (and enough time to operate and learn from them) before approaching scale of 3000 MW (I assume this is a reactor cluster size for "break even" economic long term objective) and so on.

The Chinese TMSR-LF1 will be a 2 MW prototype test reactor for example. They are currently the ones that have pursued Liquid molten salt research, development and application the furthest:


Then later by 2030 (if all goes well with LF1) is when they are planning their first larger reactor (373 MW) in this field:


Operated by the Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics (SINAP), the Wuwei reactor is designed to produce just 2 megawatts of thermal energy, which is only enough to power up to 1,000 homes.

But if the experiments are a success, China hopes to build a 373-megawatt reactor by 2030, which could power hundreds of thousands of homes.
 

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Does anyone have any info here about Turkish supercomputer what's thier current capacity and future objectives and goals?
 

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Does anyone have any info here about Turkish supercomputer what's thier current capacity and future objectives and goals?

We don't believe in super-computing.

Turkish Aviation industries have one of 20k and one of 50k core computers.
All other high performance computers we have are configured with much less power.

We like to follow in this area and we don't intend to lead.
 
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Does anyone have any info here about Turkish supercomputer what's thier current capacity and future objectives and goals?
TAI has 70k core computer cluster to use for engineering analysis of its various projects.
 

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TAI has 70k core computer cluster to use for engineering analysis of its various projects.
What ?
i don't understand .
what's the speed of this computer in FLOPs ?
 
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What ?
i don't understand .
what's the speed of this computer in FLOPs ?
sorry, i couldn't find any info about the speed of the computer. Here's an article from TAI's website,


It's Turkish. You could use Google-Translate. But there's no info on the computer's specs other than its core count.
 

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sorry, i couldn't find any info about the speed of the computer. Here's an article from TAI's website,


It's Turkish. You could use Google-Translate. But there's no info on the computer's specs other than its core count.
Nah yesterday i was reading about supercomputers not my subject but i was still intrested got to know more about exascale computer and how thier are only 3 countries that have them
Don't know much about the computing scene of turkey or iran i am ignorant on that regard so wanted to ask more
Thier is no rank of FLOP speed in turkey i can read ?


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