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There was technology transfer request in the Sinop nuclear powerplant tender but the Japanese had to withdraw from the tender due to cost increases. Probably, similar demands will be made for Sinop in the negotiations to be held with Russia.
 

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Japan has shut down many of their nuclear power plants after Fukushima Daiichi incident.
I think they are down to less than 40% of their prior nuclear power capacity.
 

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Why would anyone want to become more dependent on Russia's outdated and old tech. Akkuyu will sell electricity 12 cents per kWh, it will be the most expensive electricity source in Turkiye, citizens will pay Russia for that crap which has a questionable reactor technology background.

You will not only become more depended to one of your regional rivals and get one more risky and expensive plant but also be aligned! with the number 1 villain in the world right now!

Turkiye's public image always worsens, never goes to right direction... then you blame west for seeing you as a threat. Keep courting with the bear until it bites you.
 

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Turkiye's public image always worsens, never goes to right direction...
if our public perception was our top foreign policy priority, this would be the map of our nation:
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Why would anyone want to become more dependent on Russia's outdated and old tech. Akkuyu will sell electricity 12 cents per kWh, it will be the most expensive electricity source in Turkiye, citizens will pay Russia for that crap which has a questionable reactor technology background.

You will not only become more depended to one of your regional rivals and get one more risky and expensive plant but also be aligned! with the number 1 villain in the world right now!

Turkiye's public image always worsens, never goes to right direction... then you blame west for seeing you as a threat. Keep courting with the bear until it bites you.



lol

only russian are prepared to sell and learn you the tech, what do you suggest?
 

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Why would anyone want to become more dependent on Russia's outdated and old tech. Akkuyu will sell electricity 12 cents per kWh, it will be the most expensive electricity source in Turkiye, citizens will pay Russia for that crap which has a questionable reactor technology background.

You will not only become more depended to one of your regional rivals and get one more risky and expensive plant but also be aligned! with the number 1 villain in the world right now!

Turkiye's public image always worsens, never goes to right direction... then you blame west for seeing you as a threat. Keep courting with the bear until it bites you.

Which technology do you want us to use, none?
 

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Why would anyone want to become more dependent on Russia's outdated and old tech. Akkuyu will sell electricity 12 cents per kWh, it will be the most expensive electricity source in Turkiye, citizens will pay Russia for that crap which has a questionable reactor technology background.

You will not only become more depended to one of your regional rivals and get one more risky and expensive plant but also be aligned! with the number 1 villain in the world right now!

Turkiye's public image always worsens, never goes to right direction... then you blame west for seeing you as a threat. Keep courting with the bear until it bites you.

That 12 cents per kWh is absurd. Solar already cost less than 5 cents per kWh and is forecasted to cost 2 cents per kWh by 2030 but we will be leeched by the Russians for fifteen years and pay a premium 12cents/kWh. That is SIX times more than what the alternative will cost by the end of this decade. They have a contract for scr*wing us for fifteen years and we go ask for more. And in case you don't know under which legal frame and ownership structure this power plant is being built, google the term "YAP İŞLET, SAHİP OL". It's a scheme our "shrewd" politicians came up with. I'm sure Russian's are very proud of it but I am definitely not.

I don't how can people be so oblivious to the political climate they're living in. Europe, at the expense of their economical collapse, went overboard and sanctioned Russia to oblivion and didn't bow down to Russia's demands even though it will bite Europe in the ass. And in this circumstances, you, Turkey, whose majority of exports depends on EU, goes and poses with and makes deals with the "devil". How can you be so confident that these actions won't have consequences? Will they be more lenient with you than they're with themselves? Are these deals worth the risk? Do you know about this map?

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It's called "European Customs Union". Can you image what will happen to Turkey's economy if it's removed from it?
 
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In the Akkuyu build-operate-transfer tender, 13 foreign companies purchased the paper and 6 of them returned. 5 out of 6 did not bid and sent a thank you message and only the Russians were the bidder in this tender and they took the lead.

Among the countries that want to work with Turkiye on nuclear technology, Russia and China are at the forefront. The rest do not even bid for some reason, so after the Japanese took a step back in the Sinop tender, Turkiye had to sit at the table with the willing party, Russians again.

Negotiations are being held with China for the third nuclear power plant as well.

Here is a detailed cost analysis report about Akkuyu NPP. I recommend you to read.
 

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@Nilgiri reactor tech selling?

I am unsure what you are asking...

Yes some countries sell (or license) some IP regarding reactor technology...especially if it is well established basis (developed say 20 - 50 years ago and well established as strictly commercial use).

Other IP is held closer to chest and not for sale generally for various reasons....be it dual-use potential (thus IAEA safeguarded), more recent premium RnD involved or political expedience/reluctance playing role in supply competition (i.e what you as supplier/provider can hold/negotiate pricing on much more....given extra bargaining power acquired from relative monopoly norm caused by whatever geopolitics compared to the more general worldwide oligopoly existing in commercial nuclear reactor field).

Turkey maybe ought to have done a phase II during say 1990 - 2010 to scale up what it had learned from TRIGA research reactor(s) acquired in the late 70s to improve its own bargaining power in this field....but as far as I am aware this was not done and there were other research priorities within the overall economic constraint of the time.
 

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In the Akkuyu build-operate-transfer tender, 13 foreign companies purchased the paper and 6 of them returned. 5 out of 6 did not bid and sent a thank you message and only the Russians were the bidder in this tender and they took the lead.

Among the countries that want to work with Turkiye on nuclear technology, Russia and China are at the forefront. The rest do not even bid for some reason, so after the Japanese took a step back in the Sinop tender, Turkiye had to sit at the table with the willing party, Russians again.

Negotiations are being held with China for the third nuclear power plant as well.
But Nuclear is not the only option and this way it is not energy independency. First project somewhat aimed to acquire knowledge, entry to Nuclear technology. But another one would be a clear mistake. Instead, local renewable resources should be maximised, and for base load, there would be other alternatives emerging. I am not against Nuclear but can't see logic behind getting more VVER type old crap with extremely high price. With same amount you can build Solar & Wind plus its storage, without depending on a Terrorist State.
 

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When Ukraine was controlled by Moscow, everything was fine, gas was flowing through Ukraine, relations were warm.. what happened to those brothers. What will happen if government changes in Turkiye and would not have good relations with the dictator in Russia. 10% Akkuyu, 10% Sinop and Gas, it is not wise to depend on blindly to 1 country this much, you depended on 1 country about military hardware and learned what happens.
 

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A certain Wannabe-European likes to talk smack here but choosing the Russians was the right decision. They're the only ones who are allowing us to keep the nuclear waste. That's all we need to know.
 
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Tech transfer is not even included in the Akkuyu project.
Because this is how things work all over the world. Nothing is given in the first switchboard, it is given in the second and third.

In addition, other countries withdrew from nuclear power plant tenders, I wonder why?

US and EU pressure?
 

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if our public perception was our top foreign policy priority, this would be the map of our nation:
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The only way for example anyone listens to armenian and greek lies is if the world sees you as a demon. Public perception is never going to be easy since the western media is not owned by Turkiye, but under this current government we walked onto every landmine and made it easy. A good example is the Agia Sophia, turns it into a mosque when the entire world has been brainwashed to hate Islam and Turkiye is already seen in an extremely negative light. So you made it easy for them to tarnish the image. Turkiye has been demonised intentionally, how else could they convince the world that supporting an extremist left wing Marxist terrorist organisation against Turkey is a good idea? Public image is important.

The Russians political state is generally as degenerate as they come, yet they buy out media figures and public influencers, they pump money into places to propagate their lies, they create farms to spread propaganda, even on things like this forum. How else can you explain some of the Russian posters who never, not once criticised anything Russia did? That's Russian state money being used to push propaganda.

The great irony of course is that culturally Turkish people are probably better then most europeans. I'm yet to meet any europeans that are as friendly, warm and genuine as Turks. The other great irony is our nations hosts the worlds largest refugee population and we are one of the worlds largest foreign aid donors. Then to make matters worse every single western nation is far more racist then Turkey is and Turks are better at integrating in all societies then most peoples on earth. Yet, here we are demonised internationally.

Anyone who visits Turkiye is shocked to find a people they could have never imagined according to their media.


That 12 cents per kWh is absurd. Solar already cost less than 5 cents per kWh and is forecasted to cost 2 cents per kWh by 2030 but we will be leeched by the Russians for fifteen years and pay a premium 12cents/kWh. That is SIX times more than what the alternative will cost by the end of this decade. They have a contract for scr*wing us for fifteen years and we go ask for more. And in case you don't know under which legal frame and ownership structure this power plant is being built, google the term "YAP İŞLET, SAHİP OL". It's a scheme our "shrewd" politicians came up with. I'm sure Russian's are very proud of it but I am definitely not.

I don't how can people be so oblivious to the political climate they're living in. Europe, at the expense of their economical collapse, went overboard and sanctioned Russia to oblivion and didn't bow down to Russia's demands even though it will bite Europe in the ass. And in this circumstances, you, Turkey, whose majority of exports depends on EU, goes and poses with and makes deals with the "devil". How can you be so confident that these actions won't have consequences? Will they be more lenient with you than they're with themselves? Are these deals worth the risk? Do you know about this map?

1200px-EU_Customs_Union.svg.png


It's called "European Customs Union". Can you image what will happen to Turkey's economy if it's removed from it?

The Customs Union first benefits the EU, which nations do you think benefit the most from a cheap labour market? Also nearly everything europe lets us into they calculate the cost of not letting us in.

Its why on the one hand we are in NATO, while at the same time facing countless military embargoes and sanctions from NATO members. They can't afford for us to look away from europe while at the same time they can't afford for Turkey to be accepted into europe as an important member. In essence they wanted us to stagnant and regress, its the number one reason whey they are so vocal everytime we do something to improve our position. Europeans had nothing to say about Russia entering Libya, but the moment Turkey moved in the EU mechanism tried to shut Turkey down. And we could go on and on, cyprus, syria, iraq, azerbaijan, ukraine its the same story.

However with everything said, the most important entity on earth concerning the Turkic people and arguably all those who side with us is Turkiye. If the Turkic people are to improve their global position they need to Turkiye to succeed. So whether we like erdogan or not, we need Turkiye to succeed. So Cypriot Turks who feel aggrieved or disenfranchised from Turkiye's behaviour or vice versa, we cannot allow this division to set in. Collectively we have to improve our situation and we must not tolerate politicians who thrive on polarising our people.
 
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Tech transfer is not even included in the Akkuyu project.
According to the people in the forum, the Sinop Reactor has tech transfer as a must for the contract to be signed

The question here is whether Russia is actually willing to provide the tech or not
 

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Ok let's stick to the topic. If its not about science or technology, it will be deleted. Repeated offenders will receive warnings.
 

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Under the coordination of the Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB), within the scope of R & D, the Development of Light and Strength Armor Materials Reinforced with Graphene (GRAKOR) Project was started in 2020.


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