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[Passenger]

Some reporter say the EV technology control of goverment is the main reason.
The other reason is the rare earth cooperation between turkey and US, BYD has many patents related to mineral refining, and some people are concerned that technology transfer could serve NATO.
Of course, these claims are unsubstantiated and based only on hearsay. It's more likely that BYD simply doesn't have enough manpower, and the Hungary factory is just closer to Europe.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2064715397509546122

Didn't we give tax exemption for their cars in return for them making a factory in Turkey? Seems like we are getting played by a foreign company.

BYD investment deal, obligations remain valid: Ministry - Latest News

Türkiye’s Industry and Technology Ministry has said that the investment agreement signed with Chinese electric vehicle maker BYD, including the conditions in the agreement and the company’s obligations and guarantees submitted to the state, remains valid.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

If investments are not completed, companies are required to repay the incentives they received within the framework of relevant legal regulations, as well as the commitments and guarantees they submitted.

 

[Passenger]

BYD looking to take over existing factory for second European EV plant, executive says​

BERLIN, June 10 (Reuters) - Chinese electric vehicle maker BYD , opens new tab is looking to take over an existing factory in southern Europe for its second assembly plant on the continent, with Spain among the countries ‌on its shortlist, a top executive said on Wednesday.
"We would prefer to take over an existing plant," executive vice president Stella Li told reporters in Berlin during the European launch of the Dolphin G, a small electric car.

She did not say which other European countries are on ⁠BYD's shortlist, or when a decision on a location was expected.
Li told Reuters this week that the world's largest EV maker's top priority is starting production at its first European plant in Hungary in the fourth quarter - about a year later than planned.

Meanwhile, the automaker has put a planned plant in Turkey on hold.
BYD's sales in Europe grew 270% last year to almost 188,000 vehicles, and more than doubled this year to May to more than 100,000 ‌units.

Building ⁠EVs in Europe would help BYD avoid European Union tariffs on Chinese-made electric cars.
Europe's auto industry has been plagued for years by excess capacity, especially in western Europe, where labour and energy costs are higher.
Stellantis , has been particularly vocal about pursuing ⁠deals to lease space in its underutilised European factories to Chinese automakers including Leapmotor, and Dongfeng.
Alfredo Altavilla, a senior advisor to BYD in Europe, told Reuters Chinese automakers are scouting existing ⁠factories in Europe because the EU's proposed 'Made in Europe' rules for minimum local content in cars would take effect before entirely new plants could ⁠start production.
"There is no time to start a greenfield plant today," Altavilla said. "All you can do is find a brownfield, take it over and refurbish."

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/byd-looking-take-over-existing-factory-second-european-ev-plant-executive-says-2026-06-10/

The original article from reuter.
And Hungary factory also delayed for more than one year.

 

[B_A]

The cars seem to be good quality, and they are significantly more affordable than western-made EV's. They will probably do well when they come to Canada.

There's a bit of noise in that article I think in terms of the reasons provided, I don't think the decision is political having to do with the Uyghurs or air defence systems.... This is treated as a side note but it really is more convincing as to why there is pivot:

Every thing sounds good in the first day, then broken and when hundreds of problems next years,they even blocked the battery when you choose not to maintenance in their Store but to other workshops

That's why Tesla model Y can still beat much of Chinese cars in Chinese markets even far expensive than Almost Chinese brand

Seems to be good quality

 

[Ripley]

Some reporter say the EV technology control of goverment is the main reason.
The other reason is the rare earth cooperation between turkey and US, BYD has many patents related to mineral refining, and some people are concerned that technology transfer could serve NATO.
Of course, these claims are unsubstantiated and based only on hearsay. It's more likely that BYD simply doesn't have enough manpower, and the Hungary factory is just closer to Europe.

BYD has almost completed its first European based plant in Hungary and already looking for the second one. Everybody say it’ll be Italy or Spain. So, we can comfortably dismiss NATO as a strategic excuse since all the mentioned countries are NATO members to begin with.

I‘ve seen some Turkish auto industry experts opinions on social media where they suggest that Turkish manufacturing costs are well above Hungary. IF true, that’s a more logical explanation. VW and Toyota had already left Turkey long time ago. One European and one Japanese and now a Chinese company.
It’s not really easy to explain all these departures on political grounds.

 

[myNameJeff-17]

BYD has almost completed its first European based plant in Hungary and already looking for the second one. Everybody say it’ll be Italy or Spain. So, we can comfortably dismiss NATO as a strategic excuse since all the mentioned countries are NATO members to begin with.

I‘ve seen some Turkish auto industry experts opinions on social media where they suggest that Turkish manufacturing costs are well above Hungary. IF true, that’s a more logical explanation. VW and Toyota had already left Turkey long time ago. One European and one Japanese and now a Chinese company.
It’s not really easy to explain all these departures on political grounds.

Toyota are currently operating a factory in Turkey as we speak.

Toyota’s European Manufacturing Plants | Toyota Europe

Nine Toyota European manufacturing plants in seven countries build nine different models as well as the required engines and transmissions.

www.toyota-europe.com

Volkswagen is struggling to stay profitable and never had a factory in Turkey to begin with. VW Group has been fumbling the bag, don't ask about Audi's and especially Porsche's profit margins

And if you look at BYD's sales in Europe it's obvious why they didn't go through.
Their sales in Europe in 25 stand at a meager 188k - meager for BYD's stated goal of wanting to become the world's biggest automaker.
They already have what people call "overproduction" in China and are looking to export. Hungary is producing Dolphin surfs (B segment) right now. it makes no sense for byd to open another factory in The European Customs Union. They screwed over the Turkish state with this though. If I were to buy a car in Turkey today, id go with a Toyota for Hybrids/ICE or Togg for EVs (the latter out of patriotism. if I had no soul it'd be a Tesla.)

The cars seem to be good quality, and they are significantly more affordable than western-made EV's. They will probably do well when they come to Canada.

There's a bit of noise in that article I think in terms of the reasons provided, I don't think the decision is political having to do with the Uyghurs or air defence systems.... This is treated as a side note but it really is more convincing as to why there is pivot:

Turkey is part of the Made in Europe initiative though. On top of being in the ECU that is. No idea why Ragip refers to an article from prior to this announcement though

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/inclusion-of-turkiye-in-made-in-europe-scope-secures-mutual-investments-trade-minister-says/3856451

As far as Chinese cars go in general - the Chinese keep their best stuff in their own market. For example, he byd han L has been in China for over a year meanwhile you can't buy that in Europe still. Same goes for Denza - yet. When all you get is outdated BYDs and MGs, of course people think they're trash


I'd absolutely have a Zeeker 8X though. Or a Yangwang.

 

[B_A]

BYD has almost completed its first European based plant in Hungary and already looking for the second one. Everybody say it’ll be Italy or Spain. So, we can comfortably dismiss NATO as a strategic excuse since all the mentioned countries are NATO members to begin with.

I‘ve seen some Turkish auto industry experts opinions on social media where they suggest that Turkish manufacturing costs are well above Hungary. IF true, that’s a more logical explanation. VW and Toyota had already left Turkey long time ago. One European and one Japanese and now a Chinese company.
It’s not really easy to explain all these departures on political grounds.

Toyota are currently operating a factory in Turkey as we speak.

Toyota’s European Manufacturing Plants | Toyota Europe

Nine Toyota European manufacturing plants in seven countries build nine different models as well as the required engines and transmissions.

www.toyota-europe.com

Volkswagen is struggling to stay profitable and never had a factory in Turkey to begin with. VW Group has been fumbling the bag, don't ask about Audi's and especially Porsche's profit margins

And if you look at BYD's sales in Europe it's obvious why they didn't go through.
Their sales in Europe in 25 stand at a meager 188k - meager for BYD's stated goal of wanting to become the world's biggest automaker.
They already have what people call "overproduction" in China and are looking to export. Hungary is producing Dolphin surfs (B segment) right now. it makes no sense for byd to open another factory in The European Customs Union. They screwed over the Turkish state with this though. If I were to buy a car in Turkey today, id go with a Toyota for Hybrids/ICE or Togg for EVs (the latter out of patriotism. if I had no soul it'd be a Tesla.)



Turkey is part of the Made in Europe initiative though. On top of being in the ECU that is. No idea why Ragip refers to an article from prior to this announcement though

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/inclusion-of-turkiye-in-made-in-europe-scope-secures-mutual-investments-trade-minister-says/3856451

As far as Chinese cars go in general - the Chinese keep their best stuff in their own market. For example, he byd han L has been in China for over a year meanwhile you can't buy that in Europe still. Same goes for Denza - yet. When all you get is outdated BYDs and MGs, of course people think they're trash


I'd absolutely have a Zeeker 8X though. Or a Yangwang.

That s HONDA Left TURKIYE

Not TOYOTA

Honda s situation is very bad in Japan and China too,

Honda sells Turkish automotive plant to Turkey’s Habas Group - EUROMETAL

Japanese automaker Honda said on March 26 it has reached a handover agreement with Turkey's Habas Group, parent company of Habas Iron and Steel, for the real estate of Honda's Civic sedan factory. Honda announced in 2019 that it would close its Turkish plant following the end of its Civic...

eurometal.net

Honda makes first loss in 70 years as it retreats from EV investment

The firm will now pivot away from scrapping its target for all of its vehicles to be electric by 2040.

www.bbc.com

 

[rayanrich]

Ahlatshah makes an excellent point about historical continuity. The ASELSAN 1919 was a massive milestone back in the late '90s, and it’s a shame we let that momentum slip away. If this new cooperation with Türk Telekom delivers a truly hardened, secure phone with an on-device NPU and an isolated crypto chip, it could easily secure the domestic B2B and public sector markets right out of the gate.
The civilian market will be the real test, though. People want competitive hardware, but they also want a smooth, clean user interface that isn't bogged down by tracking scripts or intrusive bloatware. It’s honestly the same reason why so many desktop users rely on a clean utility to free block ads on chrome—nobody wants their hardware performance or data plan swallowed up by unvetted digital noise. If ASELSAN can deliver that same level of clean, lightweight, and locked-down privacy natively on a smartphone, they’ll have a massive selling point against foreign competitors.

 

[TR_123456]

Ahlatshah makes an excellent point about historical continuity. The ASELSAN 1919 was a massive milestone back in the late '90s, and it’s a shame we let that momentum slip away. If this new cooperation with Türk Telekom delivers a truly hardened, secure phone with an on-device NPU and an isolated crypto chip, it could easily secure the domestic B2B and public sector markets right out of the gate.
The civilian market will be the real test, though. People want competitive hardware, but they also want a smooth, clean user interface that isn't bogged down by tracking scripts or intrusive bloatware. It’s honestly the same reason why so many desktop users rely on a clean utility to free block ads on chrome—nobody wants their hardware performance or data plan swallowed up by unvetted digital noise. If ASELSAN can deliver that same level of clean, lightweight, and locked-down privacy natively on a smartphone, they’ll have a massive selling point against foreign competitors.

So,you are here to promote your ads blocker?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Any update about Turkish chip industry ?

 

[Huelague]

 

[TurkWolf]

Yes, Turkiye is developing its first national AI chip, and the government has already announced funding, infrastructure plans, and R&D programs to make it happen. That part is true.

But the chip isn’t on the market yet. This is ongoing development, not a finished product.

 

[Huelague]

I don’t know how. But we must bring back this guy, https://blog.google/authors/koray-kavukcuoglu/, home .

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Any update on rumoured aselsan DUV lithography machine project ? It is very crucial for Turkish technological sovereignty .

 

[Zafer]

Any update on rumored aselsan DUV lithography machine project ? It is very crucial for Turkish technological sovereignty .

There is no announcement about it but perhaps this video is telling of what they are using to make chips. Or does it look like chip packaging where they put the chip die in a chip container with contacts.

 

[boredaf]

Any update on rumoured aselsan DUV lithography machine project ? It is very crucial for Turkish technological sovereignty .

You have been asking the same question over and over again. Why not just follow the thread and a few Turkish defence industry websites and wait???

 

[TurkWolf]

Any update on rumoured aselsan DUV lithography machine project ? It is very crucial for Turkish technological sovereignty .

No, there’s no confirmed news about any ASELSAN DUV lithography project. Nothing from ASELSAN, nothing from TÜBİTAK, nothing from any Turkish chip‑related company that suggests a domestic DUV machine is in development. If such a project existed, it would be a national‑level announcement ...and we haven’t seen anything like that.

The only organisations in Türkiye that could theoretically attempt something in this direction (or have hinted at interest in semiconductor tooling) are:

• ASELSAN — strongest R&D base, but no public statements about DUV.
• TÜBİTAK BİLGEM — involved in semiconductor research, but nothing on lithography machines.
• EON Photonics — operates a cleanroom and works in photonics; closest to the optical side.
• YongaTek — chip design house; not manufacturing equipment, but part of the ecosystem.
• ElectraIC / Mikro-Tasarım — ASIC/FPGA design; again, not tooling.

Right now, Türkiye’s semiconductor push is focused on design, packaging and materials. not building full lithography systems. A DUV machine is a massive industrial undertaking — only a handful of countries have ever done it.


So while there’s no official DUV program today, the groundwork being laid by ASELSAN, TÜBİTAK, EON Photonics, and YongaTek shows that Türkiye is positioning itself for deeper semiconductor sovereignty in the future. Whether DUV is on the long‑term agenda or not, the ecosystem being built is the necessary first step.

From EON Photonics website:

Eon Photonics has 3 clean rooms: class 10,000 (250 m2), class 1,000 (350 m2) and class 100 (120 m2). All semiconductor processes carried out by Eon Photonics are carried out in these clean rooms.

Delicate clean rooms, which are built at world standards, are the first cleanroom in Turkey in terms of private sector.

 

[Huelague]

With the current Turkish policy (no taxes for 20 years), we can bring them back to Türkiye.

Turkish AI startups making their mark in Silicon Valley

The recent trend shows Türkiye's AI ecosystem is increasingly defined not only by companies founded at home, but also by a growing network of Turkish...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye’s first domestically produced electric locomotive secures EU certification - Latest News

Türkiye’s first domestically designed and manufactured electric locomotive, the E5000, has received the European Union’s Technical Specifications for Interoperability (TSI) certification, the country’s transport and infrastructure minister said.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

These are pretty cool news as I see it. I hope we can lay some more rail network from Black Sea regions to Mediterranean sea so it's becomes easier and quicker to transport from north to south, also some more rails from East to West

 

[boredaf]

Türkiye’s first domestically produced electric locomotive secures EU certification - Latest News

Türkiye’s first domestically designed and manufactured electric locomotive, the E5000, has received the European Union’s Technical Specifications for Interoperability (TSI) certification, the country’s transport and infrastructure minister said.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

These are pretty cool news as I see it. I hope we can lay some more rail network from Black Sea regions to Mediterranean sea so it's becomes easier and quicker to transport from north to south, also some more rails from East to West

We need a lot more railways in general, train are still the best way to transport, well, pretty much anything you want, but especially military equipment.