TR Industry, Science and Technology

[ekemenirtu]

Industrial robots per 10k workers

Robot Race: The World´s Top 10 automated countries

The average robot density in the manufacturing industry hit a new global record of 113 units per 10,000 employees. By regions, Western Europe (225 units) and the Nordic European countries (204 units) have the most automated production, followed by North America (153 units) and South East Asia...

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Robot Race: The World´s Top 10 automated countries​

Japan and all of the 4 Asian Tigers are in this list.
Germany, USA and many European countries in the list too.

Surprisingly, China has come up swiftly and displaced many smaller and established player to sit at 15th position.

Would it be unreasonable to expect at least 5 OIC members within the top 20 in this list?

 

[Zafer]

My knowledge of Turkish language is next to nil. I hope our Turkish brothers and sisters would be helpful enough to correct any translation errors.

From what I can understand, the SSB has chosen to pursue a "fabless" model. That means design work can be done within the territory of Turkey, manufacturing can be outsourced to other companies possibly located abroad.

This practice is common within Russia, too. Many/most of its microprocessors designed locally and using locally developed Instruction Set Architecture (ISA) are fabricated or manufactured abroad.

It is unlikely that if Russia or India could not pull this feat off, then the likes of Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Nigeria, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco, Azerbaijan or Tunisia would be able to do so.

Malaysia is the exception although as I have noted before, it remains a peripheral player in the industry today alongside its neighbour/rival/enemy (of some sort) Singapore as well as the archrival or enemy of many countries in the OIC, that is the tiny "Israel"/Zionist regime.

The industry today is dominated by a handful of players located primarily in East Asia and, to some extents, in the United States.

It is quite remarkable that at the very cutting edge of wafer fabrication technology, the Taiwanese company TSMC leads its mega-neighbour China as well as Japan, South Korea, USA, Europe, Russia, India, Canada, Australia, Brazil and the rest of the world.

I would be eager to know if more populous Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Saudi, Morocco, Algeria or Malaysia leads the world in any "desirable" indicator of interest.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no "desirable" indicator of interest, no technology, no scientific feat, no fields of knowledge, enquiry, philosophy, astronomy, physics, mathematics, defence industrial prowess, industrial prowess or any other indicator where any of the listed countries are absolute world leaders.

I would be very glad if I am proven wrong and in some way or the other this turns out to be false. To be sure, I am not concerned about Dubai's claim to the world's tallest skyscraper or the best airline in Qatar or UAE or some other not-so-intellectually-challenging achievement.

My understanding is it is high time these populous OIC members pull their socks up and deliver. If tiny Taiwan can do so, these countries must do so. Taiwan was once a veto wielding P5 member of the United Nations Security Council before it was ousted from the United Nations, isolated and has remained isolated since then.

There is no excuse whatsoever for these OIC countries.

It totally depends on your motives; if you feel the impulse to step into and move up in an industry you can possibly move up the ranks an get somewhere respectable in a reasonable time-frame. In Turkey's case we need to increase self reliance level in many industries simultaneously as we want to output independently marketable products. This expansion into multiple new sectors will probably take us a decade before we can focus on excelling in some of the areas. Until then our products will have to be barely acceptable for the most part. Once we have acquired like +90% self reliance we will afford to put more effort in moving into top quality realm.

 

[ekemenirtu]

It totally depends on your motives; if you feel the impulse to step into and move up in an industry you can possibly move up the ranks an get somewhere respectable in a reasonable time-frame. In Turkey's case we need to increase self reliance level in many industries simultaneously as we want to output independently marketable products. This expansion into multiple new sectors will probably take us a decade before we can focus on excelling in some of the areas. Until then our products will have to be barely acceptable for the most part. Once we have acquired like +90% self reliance we can afford to put more effort in moving into top quality realm.

We wish the best for our Turkish brothers and sisters.

From the looks of it, the "Middle Income Trap" might be beckoning, though. It might be the case.

Looking at how quickly the 4 Asian Tigers could transform and now how the giant China has been transforming, the pace of progress in Russia, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, India or Brazil has not been impressive at all.

I just hope Turkey is not stuck in the middle income trap. This might as well be called the "middle development trap", where countries are not at the very bottom, lowest tier of development but also not able to excel in any discipline at the world level and compete against the most advanced countries in the world.

Escaping this trap has proved to be quite a challenge for many countries.

 

[Zafer]

We wish the best for our Turkish brothers and sisters.

From the looks of it, the "Middle Income Trap" might be beckoning, though. It might be the case.

Looking at how quickly the 4 Asian Tigers could transform and now how the giant China has been transforming, the pace of progress in Russia, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, India or Brazil has not been impressive at all.

I just hope Turkey is not stuck in the middle income trap. This might as well be called the "middle development trap", where countries are not at the very bottom, lowest tier of development but also not able to excel in any discipline at the world level and compete against the most advanced countries in the world.

Escaping this trap has proved to be quite a challenge for many countries.

Being acceptably capable in a multitude of industries can get a country over the middle income level I believe.
We are targeting to be in the top 10 largest economies list which means we need to be in the high income nations league to achieve it with our 85mn population and some hinterland.

 

[Timur]

Not a positive sign, in my opinion

for me it sounds like a plan not a turkish plan but more for chinese..

I think chinese may tap into european market from turkey and greek.. they have "their" greek ports controleld by chinese if they would produce in greek it would be shorter ways but they may have to grip on for european standards I just think this is nothing special but just a little trick to have some advantages to get into the euorpean market (its a short way from turkey to greek europe) time will tell us the benefits for chinese

I oppo phones are not bad they have really good quality specially for the price they could have a base ground in turkey

 

[Deliorman]

We are seeing Chinese companies investing in Turkey instead of US companies moving from China to Turkey

America is the second biggest investor in Turkey after Italy for 2020.

Americans invested close to 800$ million last year while the Italians are at around 1$ billion and are the biggest investor in Turkey for last year. On third and forth place are the Netherlands (the biggest foreign investor in Turkey in 2019 with 1.2$ billion) and Great Britain with around 500$ million each. Fifth is Luxembourg at around 450$ million and sixth is Germany with around 300$ million. Seventh biggest investor is Ireland with 170$ million... aaannd the closest thing you can have to a Chinese investor is Honk Kong that invested 160$ million in Turkey last year and comes at number 8. The rest of the top 10 is France and Japan.

So close to 90% of the investments in Turkey last year have been made by European and American companies and investors... but yeah thank you China.

 

[Nilgiri]

America is the second biggest investor in Turkey after Italy for 2020.

Americans invested close to 800$ million last year while the Italians are at around 1$ billion and are the biggest investor in Turkey for last year. On third and forth place are the Netherlands (the biggest foreign investor in Turkey in 2019 with 1.2$ billion) and Great Britain with around 500$ million each. Fifth is Luxembourg at around 450$ million and sixth is Germany with around 300$ million. Seventh biggest investor is Ireland with 170$ million... aaannd the closest thing you can have to a Chinese investor is Honk Kong that invested 160$ million in Turkey last year and comes at number 8. The rest of the top 10 is France and Japan.

So close to 90% of the investments in Turkey last year have been made by European and American companies and investors... but yeah thank you China.

seems by total overall + quality wise (FDI), its dutch:

Restricted Access

santandertrade.com

FDI in Türkiye - Invest in Türkiye

Information about the FDI inflow into Türkiye, by year, sector, country, as well as companies with international capital.

www.invest.gov.tr

Most of what China does has an ulterior agenda, in that they give you a little carrot (low MVA assembly with easy backing of USD forex pile), so they can curry favour with the far bigger cake (huawei 5G stuff).

It also gives assured market for their components (where most of the MVA actually is)...its why you see little export from such factories too....it is mostly meant for local consumption....exports is for the chinese worker back home.

Further away from PRC, less of the pressing border problems countries have to deal with, so many (developing/emerging) fall for this even more easily (lack of direct problem with PRC etc)....but wisest countries will look at all of it and analyse carefully.

Turkey need to look at where the quality MVA is (relative to its labour and wages etc) and reform investment streams there....and look to build comparative advantage over time where possible.

There are tiers of factories and investment just like anything else....some have good future potential on top, others can be sinks/traps.

 

[what]

America is the second biggest investor in Turkey after Italy for 2020.

Americans invested close to 800$ million last year while the Italians are at around 1$ billion and are the biggest investor in Turkey for last year. On third and forth place are the Netherlands (the biggest foreign investor in Turkey in 2019 with 1.2$ billion) and Great Britain with around 500$ million each. Fifth is Luxembourg at around 450$ million and sixth is Germany with around 300$ million. Seventh biggest investor is Ireland with 170$ million... aaannd the closest thing you can have to a Chinese investor is Honk Kong that invested 160$ million in Turkey last year and comes at number 8. The rest of the top 10 is France and Japan.

So close to 90% of the investments in Turkey last year have been made by European and American companies and investors... but yeah thank you China.

For some (political) reasons 25m € investments from China get a lot of attention, like the local assemby (!) of phones by Oppo or the other unknown Chinese manufacturer or Samsung using a subcontractor to assemble local variants of their phones.

25m is a drop in the big bucket. Still good for the consumers because they will avoid the import taxes and offer cheaper phones because of that, but you know not really going to safe the economy.

 

[wolveray]

But it can create jobs.Doesn't matter where the foreign investment comes from,most importantly it creates jobs.Thats what turkey or many other countries need now.

 

[wolveray]

Acting snobbish and choosey while alot of people have no job is irresponsible.

 

[neosinan]

My knowledge of Turkish language is next to nil. I hope our Turkish brothers and sisters would be helpful enough to correct any translation errors.

From what I can understand, the SSB has chosen to pursue a "fabless" model. That means design work can be done within the territory of Turkey, manufacturing can be outsourced to other companies possibly located abroad.

This practice is common within Russia, too. Many/most of its microprocessors designed locally and using locally developed Instruction Set Architecture (ISA) are fabricated or manufactured abroad.

It is unlikely that if Russia or India could not pull this feat off, then the likes of Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Nigeria, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco, Azerbaijan or Tunisia would be able to do so.

Malaysia is the exception although as I have noted before, it remains a peripheral player in the industry today alongside its neighbour/rival/enemy (of some sort) Singapore as well as the archrival or enemy of many countries in the OIC, that is the tiny "Israel"/Zionist regime.

The industry today is dominated by a handful of players located primarily in East Asia and, to some extents, in the United States.

It is quite remarkable that at the very cutting edge of wafer fabrication technology, the Taiwanese company TSMC leads its mega-neighbour China as well as Japan, South Korea, USA, Europe, Russia, India, Canada, Australia, Brazil and the rest of the world.

I would be eager to know if more populous Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Saudi, Morocco, Algeria or Malaysia leads the world in any "desirable" indicator of interest.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no "desirable" indicator of interest, no technology, no scientific feat, no fields of knowledge, enquiry, philosophy, astronomy, physics, mathematics, defence industrial prowess, industrial prowess or any other indicator where any of the listed countries are absolute world leaders.

I would be very glad if I am proven wrong and in some way or the other this turns out to be false. To be sure, I am not concerned about Dubai's claim to the world's tallest skyscraper or the best airline in Qatar or UAE or some other not-so-intellectually-challenging achievement.

My understanding is it is high time these populous OIC members pull their socks up and deliver. If tiny Taiwan can do so, these countries must do so. Taiwan was once a veto wielding P5 member of the United Nations Security Council before it was ousted from the United Nations, isolated and has remained isolated since then.

There is no excuse whatsoever for these OIC countries.

No You misunderstood the SSB statement. They are suggesting We should invest into semiconductor contract manufacturing Facility which should serve to Fabless design houses.

 

[ekemenirtu]

No You misunderstood the SSB statement. They are suggesting We should invest into semiconductor contract manufacturing Facility which should serve to Fabless design houses.

Thank you for the explanation.

If your explanation is correct, that means there are no semiconductor wafer fabrication facilities in Turkey as of now.

The SSB intends to build a facility for semiconductor wafer fabrication in the future.

Thank you once again for the clarification.

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Combat-Master]

Volo composites and radome producer of Turkey

Volo Composite Solutions

volo.com.tr

 

[Test7]

The firm also completed the canopy R&D process in 2019. This canopy belongs to Hurkus, if I'm not wrong.

 

[Sinan]

At the Cappadocia Technopark in Nevşehir Hacı Bektaş Veli University campus, scientists have produced a mixture of titanium, boron and carbon that prolongs the barrel life of weapons.

Too early to talk. They need to do the tests and bring up the results.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Xiaomi test production started

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369912026001244166

 

[Combat-Master]

BMC Tulga SUV 4x4:

• Fully armored from the design
• -6 + 1 personnel carrying capacity
• -8 tons full load weight
• 4.5lt turbo diesel engine
• 130 km / h top speed
• Military standards
• Developed for personnel transport and patrol missions

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1370631184653430791

Perfect presidential car

 

[Combat-Master]

Chinese technology giants began test production in Turkey
OPPO

XIAOMI

 

[Combat-Master]

Nurol Technology, which produces ballistic solutions using high purity powders, is the only company in the world that manufactures from raw material to final product under a single roof. Turkey's sole manufacturer of advanced technical ceramics company, the name of Turkey thanks to boron carbide ceramics produced by printing process was developed in this field among the few countries in the world. Light armor structures with higher levels of protection can be obtained by using technical ceramics (boron carbide, silicon carbide, aluminum oxide, titanium diboride), which are also used in armor solutions, with composite fabrics. (Nurol Technology - Anadolu Agency)