Defence Q&A Is the Iranian army really strong enough to invade Azerbaijan? Will Turkey allow this?

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Instead of discussing this issue on the topic of the Karabakh war, you can discuss it here.

Is it as simple as some Iranians think to invade Azerbaijan, totally supported by Turkish war induatry and army, which has the most comprehensive combination of conventional and state of art weapons against an Iran that uses ballistic missiles and drones as its main army element ? We have an Iran that has made it a duty to meddle in Azerbaijan's internal affairs after Karabakh war and this Iran has completely lost its influence in the Caucasus region with the initiative of Turkey, but what is the result Iran is trying to reach with such threatening approaches?

Why is Iran raising such a loud voice from the corridor to be opened between Nakhchivan and Azerbaijan ? Could the activities of Turkey and Azerbaijan in the region have made Iran feel inadequate and worthless ? That's why, maybe they are making such provocations to be a role-grabbing and to be remembered at the table? You can discuss these issues in this section.
 
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Rather, it is more dangerous that Iran has moved around 4,000 speedboats to the Caspian Sea in the port of Asthar to attack oil platforms and transhipment ports for oil and gas in Azerbaijan.

Iran copied Russia's policy of tension: being on attack positions in cold seasons; to reduce tension in summer.

An Iranian attack against winter would increase the price of oil anyway, which is good for Iran and Russia but bad for Turkey.

What the Iranian decision-makers cannot guess, in the event of an Iranian attack, how Turkey will fight back
 

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Rather, it is more dangerous that Iran has moved around 4,000 speedboats to the Caspian Sea in the port of Asthar to attack oil platforms and transhipment ports for oil and gas in Azerbaijan.

Iran copied Russia's policy of tension: being on attack positions in cold seasons; to reduce tension in summer.

An Iranian attack against winter would increase the price of oil anyway, which is good for Iran and Russia but bad for Turkey.

What the Iranian decision-makers cannot guess, in the event of an Iranian attack, how Turkey will fight back
Iran will never be stupid enough to try and attack Azerbaijan directly. They'd get wrecked and probably lose a good portion of their land as well. They are good at proxy warfare but they have attempted in the past to use proxies to wield influence in Azerbaijan and it has failed miserably.
I wonder what we're giving Armenia in return for this. I find it to be a risky endeavor to start opening up so soon after the war (only been a year) and with so many unresolved issues (the mines and the Zengezur road) but I think it's probably less us and Armenia doing this willingly and more that we're being "pushed" here. Most obvious is Russia, maybe Turkey benefits too, but I feel the invisible hand of other powers here as well.

Still it would be nice to have slightly less hostile relations with Armenia. Though I don't think we should relent and let all bygones be bygones until they completely relinquish all claims on Karabakh. Maybe we get something like Turkey and Greece, where we're not friends but we're not actively trying to kill each other.
 

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Sharing again so people understand the position of Iran.

The first Secretary-General of Hezbullah a prominent Lebanese Shia cleric Subhi Al-Tufayli explains his experience with Iran on the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict.


Subhi Al-Tufayli:

"At that time I was in Tahran. I saw how the Iranian public and media supported Armenia. State and media supported the Armenians... I was shocked because I was expecting that they would look at the Armenians as enemies. You are telling that you are Islamic country. You are telling that you are together with the oppressed but I can't understand why you are together with the opressors, the enemy. For centuries you are telling that Azerbaijan is a part of Iran, Azeris are part of Iran and for real Azeris are living in Iran. So your place had to be next to the oppressed Azeris which are part of you. They are also oppressed, Shia, Muslims. I am really struggling to understand that. Allah S.W.T is saying in the Holy Quran 'and help one another in goodness and piety' (Surah Maidah, Ayat 2). Is this how you are helping one another? I said to the Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs 'Explain that Baku situation to me'. Without entering to much details I will tell you shortly what he said to me: 'Armenia is on the border with Turkey and we want to prevent the connection between Turkic countries. Countries like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan. We are together with the Armenians on a corridor against Turkey.' I said to myself 'I wish I hadn't asked anything'. Those countries want to prevail over their difficulties! You are cooperating with non-Muslim countries instead of unite your power with another Muslim country in the name of Turkey and cooperate with them."

Iranians have gone silent, they can no longer lie with a straight face.
 

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Sharing again so people understand the position of Iran.

The first Secretary-General of Hezbullah a prominent Lebanese Shia cleric Subhi Al-Tufayli explains his experience with Iran on the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict.


Subhi Al-Tufayli:

"At that time I was in Tahran. I saw how the Iranian public and media supported Armenia. State and media supported the Armenians... I was shocked because I was expecting that they would look at the Armenians as enemies. You are telling that you are Islamic country. You are telling that you are together with the oppressed but I can't understand why you are together with the opressors, the enemy. For centuries you are telling that Azerbaijan is a part of Iran, Azeris are part of Iran and for real Azeris are living in Iran. So your place had to be next to the oppressed Azeris which are part of you. They are also oppressed, Shia, Muslims. I am really struggling to understand that. Allah S.W.T is saying in the Holy Quran 'and help one another in goodness and piety' (Surah Maidah, Ayat 2). Is this how you are helping one another? I said to the Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs 'Explain that Baku situation to me'. Without entering to much details I will tell you shortly what he said to me: 'Armenia is on the border with Turkey and we want to prevent the connection between Turkic countries. Countries like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan. We are together with the Armenians on a corridor against Turkey.' I said to myself 'I wish I hadn't asked anything'. Those countries want to prevail over their difficulties! You are cooperating with non-Muslim countries instead of unite your power with another Muslim country in the name of Turkey and cooperate with them."
Iranians would have supported Baku if wasn’t for the fascist abualfazel abd his barking at Iranian lands.
 

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It's alright lads we're all just clowns drinking donkey milk, apparently. Very cool and good people you lads let post here.
I am among those that got targeted but i dobt feel insulted at all and the reason is because he couldnt come up with any counter argument but to say Iran is not Armenia.
He had to release his frustration somewhere else since he couldnt do it here which means my arguments bothered him enough for him to seek support else where when he couodnt stand up for himself.
Dont take the trolls too serious, best answer is to put your arguments in a debate.
 

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If the so-called Islamic republic attacks Azerbaijan they will be going to war against Turkey too.

fascinating to see so many so-called Muslims being pro occupier Armenia. Is that the problem with much of the muslim world? They miss being ruled, dominated and humiliated by western powers?
 

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If the so-called Islamic republic attacks Azerbaijan they will be going to war against Turkey too.

fascinating to see so many so-called Muslims being pro occupier Armenia. Is that the problem with much of the muslim world? They miss being ruled, dominated and humiliated by western powers?
This is not being a Muslim but rather a fanatic. When you are a fanatic you don't reason, just believe whatever they tell you.
 

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Iran should be proud with another Shia-state as a neighbour. No instead being happy about this, they see it as a danger.

Please someone explain me what Iran did to defend or help the Muslim world?

- Supporting USA in the war against Iraq (opening airspace)
- Supporting Armenia in the First Karabach War against Azerbaijan
- Supporting the Christian Falangists and Shia militias against the Palestinians and Lebanese Sunni's in the Lebanese Civil War
- Supporting the Sovjets against the Mujahedeen during the invasion of Afghanistan
- Aiding the Republic of Artsakh with the occupation in the Second Karabach War
- Supporting the USA in their war against the Taliban in Afghanistan
- Supporting Bashar Al Assad and Hezbollah against Arab civillians in the Syrian Civil War

More?
 
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Ha ha ha . İ can't believe but:

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What wrong with what I said? I mean do really take the people who compare Iran to Armenia or put Baku republic as equal to America or Israel seriously??!.😂

You remind me a bit of the resident wumao in this forum.

Say all kind of things on PDF (about turkey and turks) that you don't have guts to here....and then got called out here bout it and laugh it off.

OK pal. You can continue just like he does, it is your right here.....just dont expect people not to call it out.
 

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You remind me a bit of the resident wumao in this forum.

Say all kind of things on PDF (about turkey and turks) that you don't have guts to here....and then got called out here bout it and laugh it off.

OK pal. You can continue just like he does, it is your right here.....just dont expect people not to call it out.
You missed the point pal Iran isn’t Armenia and Baku isn’t America so some clowns think they even can stand a chance against Iran.
 

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You missed the point pal Iran isn’t Armenia and Baku isn’t America so some clowns think they even can stand a chance against Iran.
Tell me one thing Iran has over azerbaijan lmao everything they have are old Us junk their army is inexperienced and Underequipped ballistic missiles won't make you win battles.
 
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