Defence Q&A Is the US or China the world’s economic superpower?

[xizhimen]

Is the US or China the world’s economic superpower?

TBS Report
01 October, 2021, 02:40 pm

Is the US or China the world’s economic superpower?

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[xizhimen]

Because the western use PRC giving dirty and cheap works which don't bring prosperity and just bring ecological and social problems.
( Not just PRC , Türkiye is in the same league)

US is following the old path of UK a century ago, losing manufacturing and basic industries for financial speculation. the result will be the same.

 

[Turko]

US is following the old path of UK a century ago, losing manufacturing and basic industries for financial speculation. the result will be the same.

You are shouting Mao's slogans. I don't know if you're doing it deliberately.

 

[xizhimen]

You are shouting Mao's slogans. I don't know if you're doing it deliberately.

Mao actually never said this, it is the opinion of many scholars and economic experts from different countries.

 

[Xenon54]

USA is numero uno in 2021. But the trend points to one fact. China is rising fast and will pip USA by 2031. Nobody can doubt that this century will see emergence of China as a hyperpower. USA will remain a superpower. But Chinese economic prowess and population size will hurtle that country to another level that probably would deserve a new category of superpower plus - thus hyperpower.

In a historical context is is just reverting to the status quo that existed for thousand years. USA as superpower is just a historical aberration.

Except that china as a almost unsolveable crisis with population decline, now immigration is suddenly not so bad in chinese goverments eyes, i wonder why.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

like US wiped out Afghanistan...? Lol

And China is just like Afghanistan ??..Lol ??

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

Make sense, China is working on it, finding ways to dethrone US dollars.

Working harder and faster than the collapse of CN's economy , pls , Evergrande is collapsing, 40% of CN thermal power plants are collapsing, HSR is in big debt and may collapse soon, too :lol:

 

[xizhimen]

You are shouting Mao's slogans. I don't know if you're doing it deliberately.

Mao actually never said this, it is the opinion of many scholars and economic experts from different countries.

Working harder and faster than the collapse of CN's economy , pls , Evergrande is collapsing, 40% of CN thermal power plants are collapsing, HSR is in big debt and may collapse soon, too :lol:

LOL, everything in China is collapsing, everything in Vietnam is rising, no doubt about it.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

Mao actually never said this, it is the opinion of many scholars and economic experts from different countries.

LOL, everything in China is collapsing, everything in Vietnam is rising, no doubt about it.

if u forgot, let me remind u that CN would collaspe in 1979 if US refused to help Deng to stop VN's expansion to sub mekong region. .

CN GDP per capita was even lower than India in 1978.JP- US's help and protection is the main reason for CN's survival till now instead of falling deeper into chaos and starvation

 

[xizhimen]

if u forgot, let me remind u that CN would collaspe in 1979 if US refused to help Deng to stop VN's expansion to sub mekong region. .

China collapses everyday, China is nothing in front of mighty Vietnam, no doubt about it.

 

[Turko]

We have to admit it PRC has done great job but it has been due to western direct investment.
Currently in PRC minumum wage rose. They can't supply global industry with cheap labor force so PRC has to transform its economy another realms subject to the 21st century.

Western capital can find another countries as There are a lot of poor countries which are eager to thrive to capital.

PRC , Russians and Anglo-Saxon world have common interests which were founded in the WW2.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

China collapses everyday, China is nothing in front of mighty Vietnam, no doubt about it.

It is more useful for the forum when u open the thread "how many CN household will be frozen in the incoming winter during this energy crisis ". The is no fuel for Cristiano Ronaldo's cars now and abt 40% of CN thermal power plants are going bankrupted now due to high coal price and high labors cost.

 

[xizhimen]

It is more useful for the forum when u open the thread "how many CN household will be frozen in the incoming winter during this energy crisis ". The is no fuel for Cristiano Ronaldo's cars now and abt 40% of CN thermal power plants are going bankrupted now due to high coal price and high labors cost.

You can start me, and winter will be coming in two months, I bet your doomsady scenario won't happen, wanna bet?

 

[xizhimen]

We have to admit it PRC has done great job but it has been due to western direct investment.
Currently in PRC minumum wage rose. They can't supply global industry with cheap labor force so PRC has to transform its economy another realms subject to the 21st century.

Western capital can find another countries as There are a lot of poor countries which are eager to thrive to capital.

PRC , Russians and Anglo-Saxon world have common interests which were founded in the WW2.

China now is the world biggest outbound investor, not US, we are also looking for good overseas investment opportunities.

China’s Outbound Direct Investment Outflows Now The World’s Largest​

Sep 29, 2021
By Chris Devonshire-Ellis
China’s outbound direct investment (ODI) rose 12.3% last year to reach US$153.7 billion, ranking first globally, according to China’s Ministry of Commerce in an official report released today (September 29).

 

[xizhimen]

China is also overtaking US as the world biggest consumer market, in 5 years, China will be the world leading consumer market by a huge margin. No countries can afford losing the Chinese market. That's why US will never really fight China.
US needs Chinese products , Chinese money and Chinese market. Attacking China means committing suicide for US.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

You can start me, and winter will be coming in two months, I bet your doomsady scenario won't happen, wanna bet?

Of course energy crisis is far more serious than Evergrande's collapse and CN also have a huge china oil reserve system, so CN govt will try its best to avoid the worst scenario at least this year. But many problems due to energy crisis will not be solved , such as factories only can open 3 days per week, more and more Chinese will become jobless, they maybe fired after 30 , not after 35 years old etc.

For now, CN is just trying to survive and trying its best to avoid social unrest like Lybia when reach GDP of $10000. U'd better tell us how CN can continue to survive when ddady US left u than opening nonsense thread like "is CN a super power even when 730 hundred million CNese earning less than 9 usd per day"

 

[xizhimen]

Of course energy crisis is far more serious than Evergrande's collapse and CN also have a huge china oil reserve system, so CN govt will try its best to avoid the worst scenario at least this year. But many problems due to energy crisis will not be solved , such as factories only can open 3 days per week, more and more Chinese will become jobless, they maybe fired after 30 , not after 35 years old etc.

For now, CN is just trying to survive and trying its best to avoid social unrest like Lybia when reach GDP of $10000. U'd better tell us how CN can continue to survive when ddady US left u than opening nonsense thread like "is CN a super power even when 730 hundred million CNese earning less than 9 usd per day"

So you don't want to bet cause you know what you said was BS, good step in the right direction.

 

[xizhimen]

List of countries by electricity production​

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

We have to admit it PRC has done great job but it has been due to western direct investment.
Currently in PRC minumum wage rose. They can't supply global industry with cheap labor force so PRC has to transform its economy another realms subject to the 21st century.

Western capital can find another countries as There are a lot of poor countries which are eager to thrive to capital.

PRC , Russians and Anglo-Saxon world have common interests which were founded in the WW2.

CN is no longer the World factory. Investors who still keep their factories in CN mainly bcs they can make money from CN's market while companies like Samsung, LG, CN part suppliers, tire- textile factories etc already move to VN to avoid high labor cost and 25% tariff.

CN factories produced almost all parts for Iphone, except 5mn chips, but now, the buyer would rather wait for getting the Sensor-shift OIS stabilizes sensors on the camera from VN than from CN due to lower cost.

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iPhone 13 delivery times lengthen as COVID hits suppliers in Vietnam​

Camera module constraints add more pressure as China power cuts hit supply chain

Apple's newly launched iPhone 13 has encountered production snags, partially associated with problems in COVID-hit Vietnam. (Photo by Arisa Moriyama)
LAULY LI, CHENG TING-FANG, and LIEN HOANG, Nikkei staff writersSeptember 29, 2021 12:02 JST
TAIPEI/HO CHI MINH CITY -- Buyers of Apple's new iPhone 13 are facing longer-than-expected delivery times due to the COVID wave in Vietnam and the U.S. tech giant's deployment of a new camera feature, Nikkei Asia has learned.
The disruption is mainly associated with constrained supplies of camera modules for the four iPhone 13 models because a significant number of its component parts are assembled in Vietnam, according to people familiar with the matter.
Supply chain sources had expected this year's rollout of new iPhones to be relatively smooth, given that most changes to the updated devices are only incremental and Apple has been able to stockpile many key components.

But the company has expanded the use of its new sensor-shift optical image stabilization (OIS) to all four iPhone models when previously it was only in the premium iPhone 12 Pro Max. This has put suppliers in the position of having to ramp up production without jeopardizing production quality, against the backdrop of severe restrictions due to COVID.
Sensor-shift OIS stabilizes sensors on the camera to make images smoother and video steadier even if users are in motion, and it is an improvement on previous technology that stabilized camera lenses.
"Assemblers can still produce the new iPhones, but there's a supply gap [in] that the inventories of the camera modules are running low," one of the executives with direct knowledge told Nikkei Asia. "There's nothing we can do but to monitor the situation in Vietnam every day and wait for them to ramp up the output."'

iPhone 13 delivery times lengthen as COVID hits suppliers in Vietnam

Camera module constraints add more pressure as China power cuts hit supply chain

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

So you don't want to bet cause you know what you said was BS, good step in the right direction.

BS ?? at least half of CN factories only can open 3 to 4 days per week due to energy crisis in Winter, u wanna bet ??

 

[xizhimen]

BS ?? at least half of CN factories only can open 3 to 4 days per week due to energy crisis in Winter, u wanna bet ??

Keep bullshitting, lol