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Without US or UK air support, the IDF airforce is in disadvantage. The US has airbases almost in every neighbouring country.

But for the IDF the distance alone is far to great to bomb the Iranian cities or facilities and fly back home unharmed.

Every time the Israeli airforce leave their hangars and fly to their targets, Iran can launch a great salvo of rockets to Israel, and this time with bigger warheads.

It's a lose-lose situation.

Other middle-eastern countries have co-operated with Israel on airspace considerations a bunch of times for one, and for another (far more pertinent) point the U.S. and UK aren't going anywhere in terms of support. Not now, not ever. It'd take Israel setting off nukes, and only way that happens if if they're literally overrun with Iranians and Syrians and Lebanese in Tel Aviv by the tens of thousands. It ain't happening.

Another point: Israel's hit Iran from the air before, without the U.S. It's a tricky long-distance exercise, and the more planes you have in the air the more chance you're getting seen on the way, but it's not impossible. Not even with 15s and 16s - they've done it before - and if you can launch 35's from friendly locations outside Israel & closer to Iran (again, a challenge, not impossible), Iran's not going to have a good day. SAM sites are great and all, and Iran's up there in capability with them, but they're hardly impenetrable.

Also see you're not going to follow up with the whole "derpa derpa Iran's on the level and honest when they say they took out dozens of F-35s!", too. There's jack-shit supporting that, bar a photo of destruction of a non-armored/fortified hangar, which isn't where Israel stores high-end airframes anyway. You're in Ghost Of Kiev propaganda territory with this crap.

EDIT: Also, since I'm sick of reading it, I'm just going to go all "Scott" here, lowest-common-denominator of discourse. Dozens more Shia Orcs atomized today by the Chosen People, ROFLWAFFLES. Etc. Since, you know, that stuff's okay on this site evidently.
 
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Other middle-eastern countries have co-operated with Israel on airspace considerations a bunch of time for one, and for another (far more pertinent) point the U.S. and UK aren't going anywhere in terms of support. Not now, not ever. It'd take Israel setting off nukes, and only way that happens if if they're literally overrun with Iranians and Syrians and Lebanese in Tel Aviv by the tens of thousands. It ain't happening.

Another point: Israel's hit Iran from the air before, without the U.S. It's a tricky long-distance exercise, and the more planes you have in the air the more chance you're getting seen on the way, but it's not impossible. Not even with 15s and 16s - they've done it before - and if you can launch 35's from friendly location outside Israel & closer to Iran (again, a challenge, not impossible), Iran's not going to have a good day. SAM sites are great and all, and Iran's up there in capability with them, but they're hardly impenetrable.

Also see you're not going to follow up with the whole "derpa derpa Iran's on the level and honest when they say they took out dozens of F-35s!", too. There's jack-shit supporting that, bar a photo of destruction of a non-armored/fortified hangar, which isn't where Israel stores high-end airframes anyway. You're in Ghost Of Kiev propaganda territory with this crap.

EDIT: Also, since I'm sick of reading it, I'm just going to go all "Scott" here, lowest-common-denominator of discourse. Dozens more Shia Orcs atomized today by the Chosen People, ROFLWAFFLES. Etc. Since, you know, that stuff's okay on this site evidently.

Dont blame me, blame your own government. Because Israel isnt revealing any data and has strict censorship protocols.

If there was no harm, the Epstein Army could be open about it.





 
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Bunch more Hez bigwigs biting the dust, per The Guardian. IDF estimates around 250 psycho-theocrats corpsified in the raids in the south, too, though being fair I'd wait for other sources confirming that figure.


IDF: Hezbollah communications commander killed in strikes on Beirut​

Israel’s military said it killed Hezbollah communications commander, Muhammad Rashid Skafi, in strikes on Beirut, the Lebanese capital, on Thursday. The military said he had been in Hezbollah since 2000 and was close to senior leaders of the Iran-backed Lebanese militant group. Hezbollah are yet to confirm the Israel Defense Force’s claim.

The IDF said yesterday it was targeting Beirut and issued evacuation warnings for various locations throughout the night. Three missiles hit the southern suburb of Dahiyeh, where the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, was killed last week, according to reports. Other senior Hezbollah figures also killed recently in Israeli strikes include Ibrahim Aqil, a senior commander in the group’s elite Radwan forces, top military commander Ali Karaki, and a senior cleric, Sheikh Nabil Qaouk.
 

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Bunch more Hez bigwigs biting the dust, per The Guardian. IDF estimates around 250 psycho-theocrats corpsified in the raids in the south, too, though being fair I'd wait for other sources confirming that figure.


IDF: Hezbollah communications commander killed in strikes on Beirut​

Israel’s military said it killed Hezbollah communications commander, Muhammad Rashid Skafi, in strikes on Beirut, the Lebanese capital, on Thursday. The military said he had been in Hezbollah since 2000 and was close to senior leaders of the Iran-backed Lebanese militant group. Hezbollah are yet to confirm the Israel Defense Force’s claim.

The IDF said yesterday it was targeting Beirut and issued evacuation warnings for various locations throughout the night. Three missiles hit the southern suburb of Dahiyeh, where the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, was killed last week, according to reports. Other senior Hezbollah figures also killed recently in Israeli strikes include Ibrahim Aqil, a senior commander in the group’s elite Radwan forces, top military commander Ali Karaki, and a senior cleric, Sheikh Nabil Qaouk.
And how we are going to confirmed such infomation ... Because obviously lies and propangandas are flying both ways .. unless , you are fully believing in an IDF " revelation " ...
 
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I literally just said I'm not taking that blindly at face value the way Scott does with the Hezbollah stats, chief. Reading comprehension's a thing.
 
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What aren't you getting? The point of that post was "this is what the IDF is saying, it might be accurate and it might not, I'll wait for further non-government media types to confirm". It's right the hell there.

Also, nobody says "bruh".

In other news, U.S. stomped a bunch of Houthis, Hamas says the IDF vaporized another top leader of their armed wing, and no doubt these latest Beirut boom-booms got some more Orcs. A good day.
 
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You previously made an assertion that Israel was "censoring their death count" or some nonsense, whereas here in reality-land the lost soldiers, numbers, and identities are all over fucking Haaretz their largest newspaper. The same day. Your claims aren't to be taken seriously.

No, i said that the settlers entity put a media blackout at the first day of the Iranian retaliation. It was forbidden for journalists and citizens to release or cover the results of the hits, the MoD stated the argument that this information should not be given to Iran.

These are Israeli tactics for years now. Dont act like you are new on this planet.




And yes, and it is their strategy to not admitting or lowering their embarassing casualties because of psycho warfare and internal reasons. Their soldiers use diapers for a reason.

They are confirmed liars since 1948.

Confirmed Israeli lies:

1.- Telling the world that Egypt was preparing for attack in 1956, this was a lie to start the Suez-war, debunked by the US and USSR.

2.- Bombing the USS Liberty and denying it, putting the blame on Egypt first before their lies were exposed.

3.- 40 babies beheaded by Hamas. Debunked by the White House, Oren Ziv and other Israeli journalists.

4 - White phosphorus use in Gaza. They denied it, but Human Watch and Amnesty verified it with videos and the presence of the shells in Gaza.

5.- Hamas raped Israeli women at 7 october. Debunked by Israeli journalist Arno Rosenfeld and a IDF spokesperson.

6.- Israeli diplomat Ofir Gendelman's lies about 'Pallywood', using a Lebanese short film claiming that it was proof that Palestinians create fake suffering. Debunked by the Daily Beast.

7.- Israel’s official Twitter page posting evident of a “Hamas base” underneath the Rantisi hospital. It was a elavator shaft.

8.- Israel posting evidence of a Hamas base underneath Al Rantisi hospital. IDF spokesperson claimed a list on the wall was a shift schedule of Hamas fighters who guarded hostages. This was debunked. The list has zero names as it was a calendar with the days of the week in Arabic.

9.- Israeli channels and propagandists posted a video of a fake doctor speaking to locals in English about how Hamas is stealing medical equipment in Gaza. Staff from Al Shifa hospital have confirmed this woman was never seen before and was later identified as Hannah Abutbul, an Israeli influencer.

10.- Israel government spokesperson, Eylon Levy posts photos of what he claims to be "the teeth of Israeli children massacred on Oct 7". However, many dentists have confirmed that the photos were in fact bridge and porcelain crowns” or fake adult teeth.

I can go further, go on, go on, go on, till the end of times with a list of confirmed Israeli lies if you want.


Also, I'm not Israeli. You're a little slow, or just really committed to being King Of The Douches.

Uhuh, thats why you are the only person at this platform who is so extremely dissapointed and outraged when i post something about your homeland. Your fanatical 24/7 obsession with me is just extraordinary.

Here, this one is for you:

 
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Do YOU still think Russia will/can not help Iran?

Iran is one of Russia's most closest allies. They dont wanna lose them, like they didnt wanna lose Syria.

Difficult times are coming and thats why Turkey should make peace with Syria and agree about a EEZ.

Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, North-Cyprus, these countries must unite like a copy of the EU/NATO to forever get rid of internal terror organisations and form a iron block against Israel/US/UK.

Alone they will be checkmated one by one.
 

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Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, North-Cyprus, these countries must unite like a copy of the EU/NATO to forever get rid of internal terror organisations and form a iron block against Israel/US/UK.

Alone they will be checkmated one by one.

Why would Turkey (who is part of NATO) want to ally with Syria and Iran? Why would they want to leave the winning side to join the losers?
 

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Why would Turkey (who is part of NATO) want to ally with Syria and Iran? Why would they want to leave the winning side to join the losers?

This isnt NATO's business. Turkey has sacrificed a lot of blood for NATO so NATO cant tell Turkey what to do in their own backyard.

The muslim nations of the MENA-region need to form a bloc like the EU so they can trade more easily with each other and protect eachother better against Western sactions, or crusades and genocides like the one Israel is comitting now.

Turkey would benefit huge from this because we could export our products without limitations or restrictions to all those countries in the bloc. Billions are on stake here. The union's commission and parliament could seat in Ankara or Cairo for example. The same financial and economic regulations for every country etc. Per 6 months a new country as chairman etc. The European Union didnt start in one day.

Otherwise, if the muslim nations dont unite, Israel will attack and take them one by one. Its very naive to think they will stop at Lebanon.
 

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The muslim nations of the MENA-region need to form a bloc like the EU so they can trade more easily with each other and protect eachother better against Western sactions, or crusades and genocides like the one Israel is comitting now.

There is already one such economic bloc, named GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council), which is doing quite well.

The secret to forming such economic blocs is aligned interests and values. In the case of the countries you listed, there is more conflict than cooperation. You can’t seriously say that Turkey has the same interests with Syria and Iran.

Syria is a failed country led by a dictator propped up by foreign interests (Iran and Russia), while Iran is a failed theocracy that breeds terrorism and supports conflicts in its neighboring countries. Iran is actively working in subverting Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine. Why would any sane country want to align itself with such a mess?

Turkey would benefit huge from this because we could export our products without limitations or restrictions to all those countries in the bloc. Billions are on stake here. The union's commission and parliament could seat in Ankara or Cairo for example. The same financial and economic regulations for every country etc. Per 6 months a new country as chairman etc. The European Union didnt start in one day.

While in theory all this is correct, the problem lies with the members. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran are in a huge mess, and they are in no position to be reliable economic and political partners. It would be foolish for Turkey to move further away from the EU in order to align with a country like Iran.

As long as the current regime in Iran stands, there will be no peace and sustainable development in the above mentioned countries.

Otherwise, if the muslim nations dont unite, Israel will attack and take them one by one. Its very naive to think they will stop at Lebanon.

It is also ridiculous to think that Israel will conquer land as far away as Turkey. Even if Israel continues its expansion, its potential claims are limited to Southern Lebanon (because of Hezbollah and continuous attacks from there) and the territories currently under Palestinian control.

If a country does not attack Israel, it has no reason to fear it. Jordan has a large border with Israel, and they don’t fear being invaded, because they have friendly relations. But when you act like Lebanon or Syria, actively helping terrorist organizations to mount attacks on Israel, than you have a problem.
 

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There is already one such economic bloc, named GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council), which is doing quite well.

The GCC is there only for the Golfstates, its a exlusive organisation. We need a more broader concept like the European Union, inlcluding Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Indonesia et.


The secret to forming such economic blocs is aligned interests and values. In the case of the countries you listed, there is more conflict than cooperation. You can’t seriously say that Turkey has the same interests with Syria and Iran.

Syria is a failed country led by a dictator propped up by foreign interests (Iran and Russia), while Iran is a failed theocracy that breeds terrorism and supports conflicts in its neighboring countries. Iran is actively working in subverting Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine. Why would any sane country want to align itself with such a mess?

Maybe i was a little to enthousiastic with the country names, but it needs a start. Before the EU was created, half of Europe was in ruins and war with eachother.

Turkey is on good terms with Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan, Qatar etc. You start with 2 of 3 countries first, like the EU started as the European Coal and Steel Community with 6 founding members.

If its works wel and robust, and flourish in trade and rules, more countries would join, like the African muslim nations. And there is a huge potential because there is oil, gold, gas, nukes, high-tech, rockets, delta-techniques in all those nations combined.

It would outfit and outsource the Western blocs if it can be established. The bloc can impose sanctions together like cutting of gas and oil to the EU when they arm Israel for example.

While in theory all this is correct, the problem lies with the members. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran are in a huge mess, and they are in no position to be reliable economic and political partners. It would be foolish for Turkey to move further away from the EU in order to align with a country like Iran.

As long as the current regime in Iran stands, there will be no peace and sustainable development in the above mentioned countries.

Thats why i stated that peace should be made with Syria. Lebanon, Syria are in ruins and Iran has a great influence their.

If a economic bloc like the EU emerges, the first one who will oppose it is Iran. But in the long run they will join to benefit.

A ruined nation cant be ruined forever. Life goes on. Rebuild will take place. Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, they were like the Switzerland of the Middle East respectively in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

It is also ridiculous to think that Israel will conquer land as far away as Turkey. Even if Israel continues its expansion, its potential claims are limited to Southern Lebanon (because of Hezbollah and continuous attacks from there) and the territories currently under Palestinian control.

If a country does not attack Israel, it has no reason to fear it. Jordan has a large border with Israel, and they don’t fear being invaded, because they have friendly relations. But when you act like Lebanon or Syria, actively helping terrorist organizations to mount attacks on Israel, than you have a problem.

Israel started a long time ago by killing Iranian nuclear scientists before Iran attacked them. Israel also bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 before Iraq did anything. Countries dont need to attack first, if they are a potential danger, Israel and the US attack them anyway.

That Israeli general said: "Iran can be contained, the real challenge is Turkey".

When did Turkey ever attack Israel to deserve this?
 
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