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[contricusc]

That point about Armenia doesn't support the argument, as that was not a case of ability but of will.

It was a combination of both. If they were not involved in Ukraine, they would have had a much sronger deterrence and Azerbaidjan would have had second thoughts about the war. But since Russia was already struggling in Ukraine, the Azeris knew they won’t be able to help Armenia, so they took advantage of Russia’s weakness. The lack of will from Russia’s part had its roots in its inability to fight on another front, after the difficulty it was already facing in Ukraine, and the need to not anger Turkey, as Russia was already isolated politically after the Ukraine invasion. Things are interlinked, and Russia’s weakness caused by the war in Ukraine puts it in a position where it is unable to help any of its allies.

 

[Rooxbar]

What is this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841676141276627351

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841876054299848795

Yo this is crazy.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841876054299848795

Yo this is crazy.

So i am going to full the car and the bike.....

Don't forget the jerry can...

 

[Sanchez]

This is expected but very interesting.

IDF has been using VBIEDs based on old M-113 APCs in Gaza for months, but this is the first example from Lebanon (Kfar Kila) I’ve seen. They are used to demine intersections/buildings instead of lineclearing charges & are pulled into place by D9 dozers prior to remote detonation

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841884844311060797

 

[Rooxbar]

Blast from the past for those brainwashed by their now compromised media and politicians to support Israel despite their own national interest being against it, thinking they support Israel because of "shared background" or some shit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841900364569686314

 

[Scott Summers]

Hezbollah was just a big chunk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841508188329554069

IDF: most moral army

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841516367679283565

October doesnt love Israel

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841522317752451515

October is just a bad moment for Israeli's.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841539812655820950

 

[Scott Summers]

We need more Lebanons like we needed more Vietnams in the past.

Every dead terrorist babykiller is a salvation in her purest form.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841513111532273742

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841517835454931015

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841548683566821424

 

[Huelague]

That point about Armenia doesn't support the argument, as that was not a case of ability but of will.

Exactly.

 

[Huelague]

It’s not whataboutism. I am simply pointing out clear facts that Russia is in no position to help someone, especially against a much stronger foe like the US.

It’s a grave mistake to underestimate Russia. And a really dead one.

 

[Huelague]

How many F-35 Israel has lost?

 

[Scott Summers]

How many F-35 Israel has lost?

We dont know. The Iranian attack was known a couple hours before, and there were flight traffics from the base to South-Cyprus before the attack occured.

But Western countries and companies are blurring satelite images of the Israeli airfields and there is a media blackout in Israel - you get arrested if you take pictures.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841732741601038386

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841760882507780292

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841748961113084135

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841716505748049942

 

[SilverMachine]

With what? They couldn’t protect their own territory in Kursk against Ukrainian attacks. How could they possibly protect Iran from the US?

I mean, Kursk failed and was a huge miscalculation on Ukraine's part, likely accelerating the gains Russia's been making in the east the last couple of weeks. But yeah, the broader point stands, there's no way in hell Putin's re-directing military assets from Russia's west & Ukraine's east to help out the Ayatollah. Let alone if the U.S. is involved in whatever goes down in Iran.

As for the F-35s, I'd seriously doubt any were taken out, the air photography makes the damage on the bases look pretty limited. Frankly, it's probably a good thing if Iran *did* waste a fifth-gen fighter or multiple of them that way though - it'll make the response all the more necessary & crushing by the IDF. There's literally nothing so far indicating they lost any stealth fighters on the ground in the Iranian barrage though - true, they likely wouldn't admit to it if they did - but I thought we were supposed to substantiate claims here. If they lost 35s, prove it.

 

[Scott Summers]

I mean, Kursk failed and was a huge miscalculation on Ukraine's part, likely accelerating the gains Russia's been making in the east the last couple of weeks. But yeah, the broader point stands, there's no way in hell Putin's re-directing military assets from Russia's west & Ukraine's east to help out the Ayatollah. Let alone if the U.S. is involved in whatever goes down in Iran.

As for the F-35s, I'd seriously doubt any were taken out, the air photography makes the damage on the bases look pretty limited. Frankly, it's probably a good thing if Iran *did* waste a fifth-gen fighter or multiple of them that way though - it'll make the response all the more necessary & crushing by the IDF. There's literally nothing so far indicating they lost any stealth fighters on the ground in the Iranian barrage though - true, they likely wouldn't admit to it if they did - but I thought we were supposed to substantiate claims here. If they lost 35s, prove it.

Without US or UK air support, the IDF airforce is in disadvantage. The US has airbases almost in every neighbouring country.

But for the IDF the distance alone is far to great to bomb the Iranian cities or facilities and fly back home unharmed.

Every time the Israeli airforce leave their hangars and fly to their targets, Iran can launch a great salvo of rockets to Israel, and this time with bigger warheads.

It's a lose-lose situation.

 

[satria]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841883922776350877

 

[Anmdt]

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Apperantly, these were used in the attack this time. (Visual confirmations so far)

The first two, Ghadr-110 and Emad are old. (With not so good CEP) The later two, Khyber Shekhan and Fattah-1 are newer. Apperantly, Fattah-1 is their 'hyperopic' weapon. The MaRV is equipped with secondary thrust vectoring motor along with large conventional control surfaces as you can see. I am no expert, but by the external look of it, Both Kheibar Shekhan and Fattah-1 should be able to pull some heavy maneuver. They also seems to have better guidance with improved (claimed) CEP of 10m. At least in test videos they seem to do well. But then again, under combat situation with GPS jamming, it is a different matter.

VIDEO: Iran's Fattah-1 hypersonic missile

TEHRAN, Nov. 21 (MNA) – The footage shows the capability of Iran's Fattah-1 hypersonic missile. The missile successfully hits the target as the video clip shows.

en.mehrnews.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841985294368964944

Likely we have got an answer, it is not the GPS denial that effects these missiles, some i see a 500 meter CEP50 there.

Some missiles are highly accurate, likely the propulsive MaRV and others which has conducted the maneuvers have penetrate with lacking precision. So it is either: maneuver and miss, don't maneuver and be a target to the BMD / Iron Dome and hope 1 in 50 passes through after the saturation.

However, i think this is not the best which Iran may do, yet and they might be not too rich in the inventory for the better missiles.

All in all, they proved one thing; Israel is "touchable", and not an air-defense God, they bleed but this is nothing but a scratch. Given enough of missiles, better ones and an intelligence protection they may sustain a wider damage.

 

[Afif]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841985294368964944

Likely we have got an answer, it is not the GPS denial that effects these missiles, some i see a 500 meter CEP50 there.

Some missiles are highly accurate, likely the propulsive MaRV and others which has conducted the maneuvers have penetrate with lacking precision. So it is either: maneuver and miss, don't maneuver and be a target to the BMD / Iron Dome and hope 1 in 50 passes through after the saturation.

All in all, they proved one thing; Israel is "touchable", and not an air-defense God, they bleed but this is nothing but a scratch. Given enough of missiles, better ones and an intelligence protection they may sustain a wider damage.

IMHO, it's those newer MaRVs that had better precision. They had better guidance and are unlikely to perform maneuver very close to ground that sets them off course. Because, other Older missiles (EMAD and Ghadr-110) already known to have CEP of 300-500m. Or perhaps it's a combination of both of what you said and this.

But I agree that, the crux of the matter is that, this strike proves vaunted Israeli AMD is meaningfully penetrable. Not just a technical possibility of simply one or two getting through.

 

[Scott Summers]

Erdogan didnt call our new airdefence layer network Steel Dome for no reason.

Iron is more penetrable than steel.

 

[MaciekRS]

So judging by photos Iran did pretty much NOTHING to IDF base.
Few not important hits and base as a whole is operational.
And that was this BIG attack?
Again, it was attack for a show and not to start a war.

 

[Scott Summers]

So judging by photos Iran did pretty much NOTHING to IDF base.
Few not important hits and base as a whole is operational.
And that was this BIG attack?
Again, it was attack for a show and not to start a war.

If they wanted to start a war they could hit hospitals, citycenters, schools and appartmentblocks with active warheads like the zionist entity did.

This was just a message to the entity and the world. Hopefully the traitorkings of the GCC learned something.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841662823639695735

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841781428188491884