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[YeşilVatan]

In this thread: westerners fuming because Turks are safe from greek barbarity

smh

 

[Sanchez]

Okay let's do this.

Greek Cypriots were not entitled proportional representation in the Senate or the Supreme Court

GCs had proportional representation in the original constitution that they broke and threw to the trash. Cypriot constitution of 1960 is moot and not in effect since 1964 in actuality as GCs forced the courts and the government to have absolute GC majority with no space left for TCs.

In a normal democratic country, people’s votes and representation should be equal

In normal democratic countries, big part of the population does not try to genocide its minorities. GCs did that, and lost their privilege to form a majority henceforth.

Not to mention the presence of foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity

It was planned to be a 500 strong token force 2 years after the deal materialized to keep the Turkish and TC hardliners happy with the situation with no mandate to do anything but stay in their bases all day. Turkish government at the time genuinely believed they were going to get into EU, they would pull those men as well when asked.

the inability of displaced cypriots to claim back their stolen properties

Untrue, even with the current status quo, GCs can go to the appointed UN court and sue Turkey and TRNC and either get their property or its worth back.

The problem is, it forgot to leave

It tried to leave 4 times since 74, all rejected, last deal that fell through was in 2017.

and it brought settlers from the mainland in order to alter its demographics. Also, there is the problem of displacing many innocent Greek Cypriots form their houses and their lands, which is equivalent to what the Israelis did in Palestine

Turkey didn't go for any settler policies, if we had, island would be majority Turkish today, as is the case in Israel. Government didn't give any grants or tax breaks to the migrants. Comparing the Turkish migrants to Israeli settler politics is funny at best.

Cyprus is no longer at risk of ethnic cleansing

Can you give me a guarantee with your life? You can't, so there won't be a change to the status quo until GCs accept any one of the offers on the table.

 

[Ravager]

All this talks about what amd if's are starting to dizzying me somehow ...
It was hard to follow the rules when the mighty are abusing their power blatantly and pretend to be deafs all day long ...

Rule based order my ass ...

As Sanchez says, a hypothetical underground nuclear test doesn't mean Iran has a nuke ready to use. Comparing them to North Korea is frankly moronic - NK has dozens of these things, and have dwindled them down small enough to fit on their (even if unreliable) ICBMs.

Iran's nowhere near anything like that, most-generous-to-Iran-case-scenario. Their "expertise" is in rockets, not in nukes, they're super primitive in that regard. Obviously there's no confirmation there even *was* a test here, just some suspicious seismic activity that doesn't seem natural, but yeah, as Sanchez says, if it *gets* confirmed, you have to move now. Nobody, all the other middle-eastern countries (bar maybe Syria - even Lebanon doesn't) included, wants a nuclear Iran. You'd have the backing of everyone, west, east, global south, to Flintstones-era their entire military pre-emptively.

As for Corvus' "why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?" - Hahahaha. You know damn fucking well why, Israel's not going to use them offensively. Iran? Even all the Arab states agree full well Iran would use them on Israel. Plus, if Iran's successful in getting one, bet your ass Egypt & Saudi Arabia & Jordan & the UAE are starting up programs, pronto. Someone's letting them off the chain at some point when that spreads. This is the definition of "nip this in the bud", any means necessary, Iran's not getting a bomb, we'll kill millions if we have to to prevent it. Not just Israel's position on this, either, literally the entire region bar Iran's own proxies.

Sigh ....

 

[Scott Summers]

There are internationally recognized criteria of determining the EEZ of a country. Why shouldn’t they apply to the Greek and Turkish EEZs? If you apply the same criteria that are used for the rest of the world, Greek claims are in accordance to generally accepted conventions.

On the other hand, Turkish Blue Homeland claims are basically ignoring and swallowing many Greek islands, as if they didn’t exist or they were part of Turkey. That position is completely unreasonable, as seen from outside.

Some tiny Greek island have more EEZ than the entire Turkish coast (longest coast in the East Med), that is unreasonable.

No country would accept this. If the EU wants war with Turkey for some islands, they are welcome.

After the Ukrainian front, lets see if they can hold another front.

 

[Zoth]

Some tiny Greek island have more EEZ than the entire Turkish coast (longest coast in the East Med), that is unreasonable.

No country would accept this. If the EU wants war with Turkey for some islands, they are welcome.

After the Ukrainian front, lets see if they can hold another front.

Most of the islands are so close to Turkish Mainland that no country can hold/defend these if Turkey decides to attack to be totally honest, but i don't think Turkey will attack unless it's really cornered and has no other option to dictate some of it's terms.

 

[Scott Summers]

The settler army shooting 3 times at the Unifil headquarters and wounding 2 Unifil-soldiers. Like i said, please lose your head and bomb them all.

Serious incident: UN peacekeepers say Israel fired on Lebanon HQ, injuring 2

The UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon reported that Israeli tank fire on its headquarters in southern Lebanon injured two peacekeepers on Thursday, amid escalating tensions between Israel and Hezbollah.

today.rtl.lu

Italy summons envoy of the Entity

Italy summons Israel's envoy over UN shooting incident

Italy's Defense Minister Guido Crosetto (pictured) summoned the Israeli ambassador on Thursday after the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said their peacekeepers were attacked by I...

breakingthenews.net

 

[Ravager]

The settler army shooting 3 times at the Unifil headquarters and wounding 2 Unifil-soldiers. Like i said, please lose your head and bomb them all.

Serious incident: UN peacekeepers say Israel fired on Lebanon HQ, injuring 2

The UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon reported that Israeli tank fire on its headquarters in southern Lebanon injured two peacekeepers on Thursday, amid escalating tensions between Israel and Hezbollah.

today.rtl.lu

Italy summons envoy of the Entity

Italy summons Israel's envoy over UN shooting incident

Italy's Defense Minister Guido Crosetto (pictured) summoned the Israeli ambassador on Thursday after the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said their peacekeepers were attacked by I...

breakingthenews.net

Hmm ...look's our sons doesn't disgrace us after all . And i am a proud for their services .

 

[SilverMachine]

Can you back this up? That Iran would use a first strike against Israel?

I mean...yeah? The Saudis ready to get all buddy-buddy with Israel before Hamas took the opportunistic move of tanking that with Oct 7th? That wasn't a "we love Israel" thing, that was an "enemy of our enemy is our friend" thing, fully knowing Iran can't get a bomb, and it's better for the Sunni bigwigs to get in bet with the dirty-Jews or whatever than to let the Shia psychotics get the bomb. Iran throwing a nuke at Israel isn't good for the Saudis, isn't good for anyone, they both know it and are ready to fight the point.

Most of the middle-east is more friendly with Israel than with Iran. There's a reason for this. They know what the Ayatollah and the death-cult mean, what they intend, what the entire point of their regime is. WWIII? Egypt & Jordan & the Saudis & the UAE are backing Israel. Again, reality.

 

[Sanchez]

The Saudis ready to get all buddy-buddy with Israel before Hamas took the opportunistic move of tanking that with Oct 7th? That wasn't a "we love Israel" thing, that was an "enemy of our enemy is our friend" thing

Saudi Iranian relations are much bigger and complex than "we can't let them have the bomb". Chinese led talks that did see results is a proof of this. Gulf Israeli rapproachment is also not just based on countering Iranian military, but moreso Iranian influence in the region. Gulf countries do know that Israel wouldn't and couldn't stop Iranian advances into their country, but can help with its influence.

Iran throwing a nuke at Israel

Again, there's no viable reason for us to see Iran will be nuking Israel in a first strike.

with the dirty-Jews

**Please refrain from using racist wording in the forum whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Most of the middle-east is more friendly with Israel than with Iran.

Not really, it's pretty much 50/50 especially population wise.

They know what the Ayatollah and the death-cult mean, what they intend, what the entire point of their regime is.

Entire point of their regime is keeping their power, as is the case with most regimes in the world. You are playing heavily on the "death-cult hellbent on destruction" angle, but as mentioned previously, Iran on the ground is not doing this, and dare I say they are much more controlled in their steps vis a vis Israel.

Iranians created the shia crescent policy to get a hinterland of influence, to keep the wars outside of its borders, which of course irked their neighbours and scared the ruling elites, especially after 2011 Bahrain. And they are in their rights to hamper the Iranian influence. But we disagree whether that's because they are scared of Iranian Schrödinger's nukes or their influence.

 

[Kartal1]

 

[Kartal1]

His assessments are rarely wrong.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844492260190322807

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844495369289580908

 

[Corvus]

Preferably neither would have nukes.

Too late though.

Now we need to think, if Iran gets nukes what would happen in the long term? How would that impact our goal of establishing a fully fledged Turkic Union? Once they get nukes, they're not getting rid of them, and they will get a lot more bold with their ambitions.

As stated earlier, Iran supports both PKK and Armenia. What makes you think that them having nukes would be a positive thing for us?

I'm not pro-Israeli, but I find it disturbing that some Turks are oblivious to the Iranian threat. We need to stop being one dimensional. We can quietly arm Egypt and Saudi Arabia and give them the confidence to face Israel in the future, whilst simultaneously dealing with the Iranian threat.

Well I don't think Iran having nukes is positive for us.

I just don't like the Westerners' snobby attitude. They think their security concerns matter and the rest should just sit and be a good boy.

As for Corvus' "why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?" - Hahahaha. You know damn fucking well why, Israel's not going to use them offensively. Iran? Even all the Arab states agree full well Iran would use them on Israel. Plus, if Iran's successful in getting one, bet your ass Egypt & Saudi Arabia & Jordan & the UAE are starting up programs, pronto. Someone's letting them off the chain at some point when that spreads. This is the definition of "nip this in the bud", any means necessary, Iran's not getting a bomb, we'll kill millions if we have to to prevent it. Not just Israel's position on this, either, literally the entire region bar Iran's own proxies.

Can you remind me again, which countries' minister openly talks about establishing a bigger country in the Promised Lands?

Which countries' prime minister quotes verses from their holy book about slaughtering men, women and children?

Which country killed hundreds of journalists, aid workers and medics?

Which countries' soldiers regularly snipe kids on camera and flex about it?

Which country openly continues its occupation and invasion in several directions despite numerous UN decisions?

Which country is being judged for genocide and crimes against humanity in ICC and ICJ?

Which country keeps bringing people from all around the world based on their ethno-religious identity and settle them over people's land?

Which country literally maintains an apartheid regime on millions of people and denying their statehood?

The country that does all these things has the biggest potential to use nukes to fulfill their biblical messianic prophecies.

In return, the countries in the region have right to defend themselves against this ethno-religious statelet.

@SilverMachine is scared because a nuclear Iran and nuclear Türkiye will be deterrent against Israel's spoiled barbarity. They faithfully believe that they can do whatever to the goyim and we should just sit and watch.

 

[Ryder]

It was ok for Turkey to intervene. The problem is, it forgot to leave, and it brought settlers from the mainland in order to alter its demographics. Also, there is the problem of displacing many innocent Greek Cypriots form their houses and their lands, which is equivalent to what the Israelis did in Palestine.



Again, there is nothing wrong with Turkey saving their kin. It is actually commendable. The problem is that they are not allowing Cyprus to become a normal independent country without outside military interference even 50 years after the events. This turns a legitimate intervention into military occupation.

Cyprus is no longer at risk of ethnic cleansing and it should be allowed to unite under a unique democratic government elected by all its people under an equal vote, as it is in all democratic countries. Also, all Cypriots should be allowed to live anywhere on the island, no matter their ethnicity, as it happens in all normal countries.

What happened 50 years ago should not dictate the present situation. People need to move on and build a normal country, based on the values of the XXI century.

Turkish settlers have settled in Cyprus after the Ottoman conquest.

Turjish Cypriots are a mix of Turkish soldiers and the natives who lived there yes including Greek Cypriots who became Muslim.

After the British tookover in 1878 many Turkish cypriots migrated to Anatolia due to poverty many went to Palestine got married to the Arabs who lived there. A lot of Palestinians when they do a Dna test are pretty surprised when they find out they have a Turkish cypriot ancestor.

Turkish Cyprus is not easy to get into because a lot of Turks have Turkish Cypriot ancestors and lots of Turkish Cypriots have ancestors from the Anatolian heartland.

Nowadays Erdogan government allows anybody to settle in to Turkish cyprus many people are buying houses. Unfortunately its going to ruin the place in the long term. I understand Turkish cypriots are fustrated as the Turkish government constantly intervenes in their affairs the more hostile they will become.

Erdogan is known to be a control freak because he has to control everything. At the same time his also increasing Turkish military presence in Turkish Cyprus because the Greeks one day could pull some shady shit.

 

[Iskander]

That'd be pretty "Otto Skorzeny's unwittingly working for the Jews against Egypt" level hilarious, Iskander. Doesn't sound all that implausible either, they 99% had people inside the Guard in order to kill the Hamas guy in the Guard's safehouse. I'd want more backing the idea in order to believe it, a guy that high up, but yeah, interesting.

Iran's security services must be in complete disarray. They could not even properly organize the security of President Raisi. I don't have any knowledge about them. But I saw... traffic in Iranian cities!
I have never seen such unimaginable chaos anywhere.
If there is the same “order” in their army, then Iran will face defeat, and possibly collapse.
War is on their doorstep.

 

[Ryder]

Iran's security services must be in complete disarray. They could not even properly organize the security of President Raisi. I don't have any knowledge about them. But I saw... traffic in Iranian cities!
I have never seen such unimaginable chaos anywhere.
If there is the same “order” in their army, then Iran will face defeat, and possibly collapse.
War is on their doorstep.

Iran is only strong defensively. But in the offense they will fall pretty badly.

We seen how bad the Iran-Iraq war when Iran went on the offensive that they even resorted to using child soldiers to clear mines.

Iran shouldnt think they will be in another situation like that as times have changed.

 

[Iskander]

Okay. And then who?
It is obvious that the West is ready to destroy any Muslim state. There is a certain line and any Muslim country that crosses it is accused of, say, lack of democracy, or other sins, and is plunged into chaos. Then comes the occupation and division of the country.
Due to longvity end geographical distance, many people do not know how the US first declared General Suharto an authoritarian ruler, then a dictator. Then there were riots in the country, openly organized by the US. They did not like General Suharto's intention to create heavy industry in Indonesia. Washington tried to dissuade him for a long time. The general did not heed his "advice". In the end, Suharto paid with his power. Hardly anyone remembers Iranian Prime Minister Musaddegh today. The Yankees tried there too. They do not even hide it (previously classified documents were recently officially published by Washington). Libya was divided in two, Irak - in three. Saddam was simply publicly hanged, as a lesson to other disobedient Muslim leaders.

Now these guys have taken on the long beards of the Iranian ayatollahs.
And which Muslim country will be next?
They have long called Erdogan either an authoritarian ruler, or even an Islamist, which is even worse. If authoritative political scientists and journalists in Western countries have already received an indication of attacks, then... Although the coup d'etat organized by the United States in Turkey in 2016 was not successful, after some time, if necessary, Erdogan will be declared a dictator. Today, this cannot be done yet - today it is Iran's turn. After Iran, we must calm down the raging Russian dictator.

I am not a religious person and I cannot stand the Iranian theocracy. But the question "Which Muslim country will be next?" is quite appropriate.

 

[Scott Summers]

Special treatment for zionists worldwide. The good days are over.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844386360314171859

Hezbollah got more rockets than Chinese people got smartphones.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844440221330571704

International outrage about the Unifil-attack

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844389639420842348

Oy Vey! Chazballa Orkestra!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844435188165771402

List of operations from yesterday

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844490517842727010

 

[Scott Summers]

The Chinese force operating in Lebanon as part of the international mission UNIFIL issued a final warning to the Israeli army, which wants to involve the positions of international forces in the clash.

The Chinese officer addressed the Israeli army:

"We are soldiers of death, you scoundrels, and your helplessness in front of the Lebanese does not mean taking refuge with international forces."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844360302701445178

"We will flatten Tel Aviv and Haifa..if the Zionist regime continues to be foolish..they are not the size of Iran nor at its level.."

Amir Hatemi
Iranian Defense Minister

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844526371101606022

 

[Sanchez]

The Chinese officer addressed the Israeli army:

Doubt that.

 

[Ravager]

Okay. And then who?
It is obvious that the West is ready to destroy any Muslim state. There is a certain line and any Muslim country that crosses it is accused of, say, lack of democracy, or other sins, and is plunged into chaos. Then comes the occupation and division of the country.
Due to longvity end geographical distance, many people do not know how the US first declared General Suharto an authoritarian ruler, then a dictator. Then there were riots in the country, openly organized by the US. They did not like General Suharto's intention to create heavy industry in Indonesia. Washington tried to dissuade him for a long time. The general did not heed his "advice". In the end, Suharto paid with his power. Hardly anyone remembers Iranian Prime Minister Musaddegh today. The Yankees tried there too. They do not even hide it (previously classified documents were recently officially published by Washington). Libya was divided in two, Irak - in three. Saddam was simply publicly hanged, as a lesson to other disobedient Muslim leaders.

Now these guys have taken on the long beards of the Iranian ayatollahs.
And which Muslim country will be next?
They have long called Erdogan either an authoritarian ruler, or even an Islamist, which is even worse. If authoritative political scientists and journalists in Western countries have already received an indication of attacks, then... Although the coup d'etat organized by the United States in Turkey in 2016 was not successful, after some time, if necessary, Erdogan will be declared a dictator. Today, this cannot be done yet - today it is Iran's turn. After Iran, we must calm down the raging Russian dictator.

I am not a religious person and I cannot stand the Iranian theocracy. But the question "Which Muslim country will be next?" is quite appropriate.

In general ...i agree . But , the only reason for his downfall is the uncomtrollable greed of his families and cronies . But , today Indonesia were allready a different beast ... While we walking on a slower pace ....the progress are more accumulated and structured on the grass root level ..