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[YeşilVatan]

In this thread: westerners fuming because Turks are safe from greek barbarity

smh

 

[Sanchez]

Okay let's do this.

Greek Cypriots were not entitled proportional representation in the Senate or the Supreme Court

GCs had proportional representation in the original constitution that they broke and threw to the trash. Cypriot constitution of 1960 is moot and not in effect since 1964 in actuality as GCs forced the courts and the government to have absolute GC majority with no space left for TCs.

In a normal democratic country, people’s votes and representation should be equal

In normal democratic countries, big part of the population does not try to genocide its minorities. GCs did that, and lost their privilege to form a majority henceforth.

Not to mention the presence of foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity

It was planned to be a 500 strong token force 2 years after the deal materialized to keep the Turkish and TC hardliners happy with the situation with no mandate to do anything but stay in their bases all day. Turkish government at the time genuinely believed they were going to get into EU, they would pull those men as well when asked.

the inability of displaced cypriots to claim back their stolen properties

Untrue, even with the current status quo, GCs can go to the appointed UN court and sue Turkey and TRNC and either get their property or its worth back.

The problem is, it forgot to leave

It tried to leave 4 times since 74, all rejected, last deal that fell through was in 2017.

and it brought settlers from the mainland in order to alter its demographics. Also, there is the problem of displacing many innocent Greek Cypriots form their houses and their lands, which is equivalent to what the Israelis did in Palestine

Turkey didn't go for any settler policies, if we had, island would be majority Turkish today, as is the case in Israel. Government didn't give any grants or tax breaks to the migrants. Comparing the Turkish migrants to Israeli settler politics is funny at best.

Cyprus is no longer at risk of ethnic cleansing

Can you give me a guarantee with your life? You can't, so there won't be a change to the status quo until GCs accept any one of the offers on the table.

 

[Ravager]

All this talks about what amd if's are starting to dizzying me somehow ...
It was hard to follow the rules when the mighty are abusing their power blatantly and pretend to be deafs all day long ...

Rule based order my ass ...

As Sanchez says, a hypothetical underground nuclear test doesn't mean Iran has a nuke ready to use. Comparing them to North Korea is frankly moronic - NK has dozens of these things, and have dwindled them down small enough to fit on their (even if unreliable) ICBMs.

Iran's nowhere near anything like that, most-generous-to-Iran-case-scenario. Their "expertise" is in rockets, not in nukes, they're super primitive in that regard. Obviously there's no confirmation there even *was* a test here, just some suspicious seismic activity that doesn't seem natural, but yeah, as Sanchez says, if it *gets* confirmed, you have to move now. Nobody, all the other middle-eastern countries (bar maybe Syria - even Lebanon doesn't) included, wants a nuclear Iran. You'd have the backing of everyone, west, east, global south, to Flintstones-era their entire military pre-emptively.

As for Corvus' "why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?" - Hahahaha. You know damn fucking well why, Israel's not going to use them offensively. Iran? Even all the Arab states agree full well Iran would use them on Israel. Plus, if Iran's successful in getting one, bet your ass Egypt & Saudi Arabia & Jordan & the UAE are starting up programs, pronto. Someone's letting them off the chain at some point when that spreads. This is the definition of "nip this in the bud", any means necessary, Iran's not getting a bomb, we'll kill millions if we have to to prevent it. Not just Israel's position on this, either, literally the entire region bar Iran's own proxies.

Sigh ....

 

[Scott Summers]

There are internationally recognized criteria of determining the EEZ of a country. Why shouldn’t they apply to the Greek and Turkish EEZs? If you apply the same criteria that are used for the rest of the world, Greek claims are in accordance to generally accepted conventions.

On the other hand, Turkish Blue Homeland claims are basically ignoring and swallowing many Greek islands, as if they didn’t exist or they were part of Turkey. That position is completely unreasonable, as seen from outside.

Some tiny Greek island have more EEZ than the entire Turkish coast (longest coast in the East Med), that is unreasonable.

No country would accept this. If the EU wants war with Turkey for some islands, they are welcome.

After the Ukrainian front, lets see if they can hold another front.

 

[Zoth]

Some tiny Greek island have more EEZ than the entire Turkish coast (longest coast in the East Med), that is unreasonable.

No country would accept this. If the EU wants war with Turkey for some islands, they are welcome.

After the Ukrainian front, lets see if they can hold another front.

Most of the islands are so close to Turkish Mainland that no country can hold/defend these if Turkey decides to attack to be totally honest, but i don't think Turkey will attack unless it's really cornered and has no other option to dictate some of it's terms.

 

[Scott Summers]

The settler army shooting 3 times at the Unifil headquarters and wounding 2 Unifil-soldiers. Like i said, please lose your head and bomb them all.

Serious incident: UN peacekeepers say Israel fired on Lebanon HQ, injuring 2

The UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon reported that Israeli tank fire on its headquarters in southern Lebanon injured two peacekeepers on Thursday, amid escalating tensions between Israel and Hezbollah.

today.rtl.lu

Italy summons envoy of the Entity

Italy summons Israel's envoy over UN shooting incident

Italy's Defense Minister Guido Crosetto (pictured) summoned the Israeli ambassador on Thursday after the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said their peacekeepers were attacked by I...

breakingthenews.net

 

[Ravager]

The settler army shooting 3 times at the Unifil headquarters and wounding 2 Unifil-soldiers. Like i said, please lose your head and bomb them all.

Serious incident: UN peacekeepers say Israel fired on Lebanon HQ, injuring 2

The UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon reported that Israeli tank fire on its headquarters in southern Lebanon injured two peacekeepers on Thursday, amid escalating tensions between Israel and Hezbollah.

today.rtl.lu

Italy summons envoy of the Entity

Italy summons Israel's envoy over UN shooting incident

Italy's Defense Minister Guido Crosetto (pictured) summoned the Israeli ambassador on Thursday after the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said their peacekeepers were attacked by I...

breakingthenews.net

Hmm ...look's our sons doesn't disgrace us after all . And i am a proud for their services .

 

[SilverMachine]

Can you back this up? That Iran would use a first strike against Israel?

I mean...yeah? The Saudis ready to get all buddy-buddy with Israel before Hamas took the opportunistic move of tanking that with Oct 7th? That wasn't a "we love Israel" thing, that was an "enemy of our enemy is our friend" thing, fully knowing Iran can't get a bomb, and it's better for the Sunni bigwigs to get in bet with the dirty-Jews or whatever than to let the Shia psychotics get the bomb. Iran throwing a nuke at Israel isn't good for the Saudis, isn't good for anyone, they both know it and are ready to fight the point.

Most of the middle-east is more friendly with Israel than with Iran. There's a reason for this. They know what the Ayatollah and the death-cult mean, what they intend, what the entire point of their regime is. WWIII? Egypt & Jordan & the Saudis & the UAE are backing Israel. Again, reality.

 

[Sanchez]

The Saudis ready to get all buddy-buddy with Israel before Hamas took the opportunistic move of tanking that with Oct 7th? That wasn't a "we love Israel" thing, that was an "enemy of our enemy is our friend" thing

Saudi Iranian relations are much bigger and complex than "we can't let them have the bomb". Chinese led talks that did see results is a proof of this. Gulf Israeli rapproachment is also not just based on countering Iranian military, but moreso Iranian influence in the region. Gulf countries do know that Israel wouldn't and couldn't stop Iranian advances into their country, but can help with its influence.

Iran throwing a nuke at Israel

Again, there's no viable reason for us to see Iran will be nuking Israel in a first strike.

with the dirty-Jews

**Please refrain from using racist wording in the forum whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Most of the middle-east is more friendly with Israel than with Iran.

Not really, it's pretty much 50/50 especially population wise.

They know what the Ayatollah and the death-cult mean, what they intend, what the entire point of their regime is.

Entire point of their regime is keeping their power, as is the case with most regimes in the world. You are playing heavily on the "death-cult hellbent on destruction" angle, but as mentioned previously, Iran on the ground is not doing this, and dare I say they are much more controlled in their steps vis a vis Israel.

Iranians created the shia crescent policy to get a hinterland of influence, to keep the wars outside of its borders, which of course irked their neighbours and scared the ruling elites, especially after 2011 Bahrain. And they are in their rights to hamper the Iranian influence. But we disagree whether that's because they are scared of Iranian Schrödinger's nukes or their influence.

 

[Kartal1]