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The kidney of Jewish man Yigal Yehoshua lynched by the Arab mob in Lod was donated to Arab woman from East Jerusalem Randa Awes:

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This is what Israeli "apartheid" looks like.
Cheap whitewashing as long as some jew from europe has more rights then native arab based on nazi law of return this random acts of humanity will not diminish twisted evilness of israel nazi apartheid state. So, explain civilised background of that law or continue spreading apologetic for your state crimes.i am sjre you will go on with 2nd option.
 

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Cheap whitewashing as long as some jew from europe has more rights then native arab based on nazi law of return this random acts of humanity will not diminish twisted evilness of israel nazi apartheid state. So, explain civilised background of that law or continue spreading apologetic for your state crimes.i am sjre you will go on with 2nd option.
Comparing law of return with Nazism which killed tens of millions of innocent people is total madness.

Germany grants citizenship to Russian Germans .
Portugal grants citizenship to Sephardic Jews.

Any country has right to grant citizensip to anyone it wishes.

As for apartheid:

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Comparing law of return with Nazism which killed tens of millions of innocent people is total madness.

Germany grants citizenship to Russian Germans .
Portugal grants citizenship to Sephardic Jews.

Any country has right to grant citizensip to anyone it wishes.

As for apartheid:

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If you literally do not copy nazi it does not mean that you are not. If you want to demant me, please advocate for Nakba people to return their rightfull properties stolen from settlers, hang couple of war criminals from your armed forces, cease apartheid on occupied teritories, stop indiscriminate killing of palestinians, stealing land, water and teritories from neigbourhing countires and so many other criminal practises and you might prove me wrong, untill then,people around the world with common sence for justice, will call you exactly like what you are.
 

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As for apartheid
You don't need to have perfect copy of the South African variant to be called apartheid. The fact is what we see in Israel has got is rtemarkable similiar, note I used the word 'similiar' and not exact copy of the South African variant. Indeed the caste system in India that confines 25% of the population as untouchables also has contours of apartheid.
 

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Comparing law of return with Nazism which killed tens of millions of innocent people is total madness.

Germany grants citizenship to Russian Germans .
Portugal grants citizenship to Sephardic Jews.

Any country has right to grant citizensip to anyone it wishes.

As for apartheid:

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This is not really going to buy currency with people that have made up their mind either way.

It is essentially mind made up and then find elements that will fit the mind's narrative (rather than opposite way).

Countries all around the world are heterogeneous to varying extents and thus will have underlying discriminations in them. I could at some length for exampe, go into askhenazi vs mizrahi fears within just jewish community of Israel during the sustained migrations (from arab world after Europe) after founding of the state (there is one excellent book on background to 67 war I can recommend to anyone if interested). So of course there is going to be further discriminations inherited by context of any country....since any country is not a monolith at some level....some at very early levels (yet many admirably function and have far more proven demonstrable cohesion than more "homogeneous" states)

To compare this kind of thing to systematic legal discrimination like found in Apartheid and Jim Crow laws while being apologist/supporter of their own much larger scale history and/or ongoing brutality based on such discriminations is one of bigger hypocrisies that play out in the world. But it is inevitably part of human nature....much connected to the "mind made up + find elements to back it up".

So while Israel literally has arab israelis in supreme court justice positions (and political parties etc) at same time of ongoing discriminations, tensions on the ground....and while India also has all kind of minorities in positions of power, politics and state justice while facing same on ground....we and others have discrimination within the society....many countries can be found with this phenomenon, at any development/wealth level (US also comes to mind lately).

But it is odd to you when you have to confront say Iranian regime apologist calling you predictable X Y Z state....after all the Iranian regime has done in places like Syria and Iraq with literal actual atrocities and genocide arguably.

Just like it is odd to me when apologists/supporters of a regime talk about XYZ w.r.t India.....after what that regime did in East Pakistan (Now Bangladesh for that very reason).

Were the syrian civilians and bengali civilians....silenced and snuffed out in the 100s of thousands facing mere apartheid....or something far uglier?

What things linger and fester in places that don't come clean and accountable about it (while the term Nazi keeps being brought up, given what Germany had to faced up to after the war w.r.t that never get started in most other cases)?

The dissonance (and thus reluctance) of application of own argument to oneself first is often inevitable unfortunately.
 

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If you literally do not copy nazi it does not mean that you are not. If you want to demant me, please advocate for Nakba people to return their rightfull properties stolen from settlers, hang couple of war criminals from your armed forces, cease apartheid on occupied teritories, stop indiscriminate killing of palestinians, stealing land, water and teritories from neigbourhing countires and so many other criminal practises and you might prove me wrong, untill then,people around the world with common sence for justice, will call you exactly like what you are.
You don't need to have perfect copy of the South African variant to be called apartheid. The fact is what we see in Israel has got is rtemarkable similiar, note I used the word 'similiar' and not exact copy of the South African variant. Indeed the caste system in India that confines 25% of the population as untouchables also has contours of apartheid.
Your claim that there is something bad in Israel so its Nazi and apartheid is like saying that if you download song from internet illegally then you are no different from jack the ripper: both commit crime no?

As for stealing lands and territories from neighboring countries. Here how Israeli territory changed in past 50 years:

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Your claim that there is something bad in Israel so its Nazi and apartheid is like saying that if you download song from internet illegally then you are no different from jack the ripper: both commit crime no?

As for stealing lands and territories from neighboring countries. Here how Israeli territory changed in past 50 years:

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cool, now show graphic from 1948 when your invading project started and i will continue to ask how you justify nazi law of return which discriminate native Arab population.
 

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In spite of all the inactivity on my part - I've rarely seen anything like that...
not even in the old forum...

You can't be damn serious, can you?

Territories that are illegally occupied by Israel - are Israeli land? Sinai is still partly occupied!
Golan heights as well, and the blue marked terr. was never part of the 1948 deal...

I don't understand this kind of propaganda - this is next-level shit...
 

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The Nazi Germany are the one that caused misery for jewish people in the past and not Palestinians, but it was the Israelis who caused misery towards the Palestinians.
 

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I know the Talmud is pretty insane.
It is. I used to get sliced and diced in western forums by mostly Americans who regard Islam as a cult of mass murderers and pedophiles galore. They would extract bits of Quran to justify it. I admit I went on the backfoot and not particularly well read on Islam I had no reply. Then some time later I came to know that Jewish scriptures as well as the bible have content that would blush Heinrich Himmler.
 

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The dissonance (and thus reluctance) of application of own argument to oneself first is often inevitable unfortunately.
If you look at another forum you will know I am practically regarded as a Zionist because I don't think Pakistan should do anything about Gaza or Palestine. Indeed I would have Pakistan recognize Israel by the weekend if I could with embassies up and running in Islamabad/Jerusalem. So spare me the "dissonance" crap please. I am not against Jews.

However I present that stance from nationist state point of view driven by interests of the Pakistani state in competeting world of realpolitik. But I also know from personal perspective what Israel is all about. My posts here have been more from my POV.
 

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cool, now show graphic from 1948 when your invading project started and i will continue to ask how you justify nazi law of return which discriminate native Arab population.
There is nothing Nazi about the law of return.

In spite of all the inactivity on my part - I've rarely seen anything like that...
not even in the old forum...

You can't be damn serious, can you?

Territories that are illegally occupied by Israel - are Israeli land? Sinai is still partly occupied!
Golan heights as well, and the blue marked terr. was never part of the 1948 deal...

I don't understand this kind of propaganda - this is next-level shit...
Territories were captured in defensive wars. Nothing illegal about it. Then Israel returned them for peace.

The Nazi Germany are the one that caused misery for jewish people in the past and not Palestinians, but it was the Israelis who caused misery towards the Palestinians.
Nazi Germany committed genocide against millions of Jews.
Israel never committed any genocide. More over, Arabs in Israel live better than in neighbor countries.
 

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here is nothing Nazi about the law of return.
Did you even 'leave'? I am curious if not befuddled. And note I am not Anti-Semite etc Being critical of israel does not make some brainwashed extremist Muslim. I often listen to Noam Chomsky - a Jew.
 

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There is nothing Nazi about the law of return.


Territories were captured in defensive wars. Nothing illegal about it. Then Israel returned them for peace.


Nazi Germany committed genocide against millions of Jews.
Israel never committed any genocide. More over, Arabs in Israel live better than in neighbor countries.
How there is nothing wrong with law when it discriminate on race amd religion?

Who told you that lie, your state was established by terrorism agression amd expulsion of native people

Nakba is genocide, read definiton of it, jews does not have monopol on it.
 

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How there is nothing wrong with law when it discriminate on race amd religion?

Who told you that lie, your state was established by terrorism agression amd expulsion of native people

Nakba is genocide, read definiton of it, jews does not have monopol on it.
I have serious problem squaring what is said. First what is it with this "return"? All of us came from out of Africa. Can I go to Africa and say "hou has returned"? And use the "out of Africa" as premise to land grab?

Even if you accept the tenous 2000 year plus "return" claim and is accepted as precedent then what of the more recent Native American right to Americas, ditto Aborgine in Australia or Maoris in New Zealand?
 

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