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How is that an answer to my question? Do you think situation today is similar to 1960?

1960's was the peak of the Cold War and everything was being evaluated through this reality. Türkiye and Iran (strongest countries in the region) were friendly with Israel, most Arab states were newly established and they were disorganized&dirt poor. The world didn't know/care about Jewish invasion and colonization of Palestine. There was not a global resistance. The West was much much stronger than rest of the World.

Today we are moving to a multipolar order. Arabs have money and global connections, Turks have defence industry and military, Pakistan has nukes, the West is weaker and the people, everywhere, is anti-Israel.

So, I'm asking again, what is your plan of survival when there is no more unlimited US obedience in a few years? This is not a rhetorical question. I'm geniunely curious about your future plans without the US security umbrella.
Ur question included 2 false narratives:

1) There is unconditional US support of Israel.

Never was such thing and before 1967 US position was rather anti Israel than pro Israel.

2) Israel can't survive without it.

Israel survived before 1967 when was much weaker than now and united Arab front was supported by superpower USSR.
 

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people have short memories, if isreal stops murdering for 6 months most of the decades worth of crimes they have committed will be forgotten. Most people have already forgotten about Epstein.

The hordes of squeaky voiced "rabbis" who are always openly talking about how dumb the goyim are, truth be told are not wrong about it. And by dumb i don't mean in a skills sense, i mean in the ability to remember what's happened before and potentially what will happen moving forward.

imagine the americans were sold the obvious bullshit that billionaire celebrity trump was the anti-establishment guy. He's probably the most pro-zionist president the USA has ever had.

Tomorrow they will sell the goyim another hero up for election and all that came previously will yet again be forgotten. Worth keeping in mind the agenda for the middle east has been the same irrespective of whoever was in power. America isnt ruled by her politicians, its ruled by those organisations who have the power to decide who becomes the presidents. That power is generational.

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

― Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time

Billionaires don't believe in the peasants having freedom of choice.
 
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you cant make this stuff up

in the parent tweet:
Alan Dershowitz tells Zev Brenner that he proposed to the Trump administration that they should blockade the Strait of Hormuz to counter Iran's blockade.

He wrote a column on April 9th titled, "If Iran Closes Hormuz to Some Ships, U.S. Should to All," which got "a lot of support" from within the administration, he says.

"I can't mention who, but some pretty high-ranking people in the administration have seen this article and have agreed with it."

Trump announced plans to blockade the Strait three days later.

 

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Twitter propagandists invent lies and then argue with them. No one in Israel thinks of any greater Israel. Thats pure nonsense.

The truth is that IRAN tries to create greater Iran. Prior 7 Oct they controlled Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, North Yemen and Gaza.


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Now this axis is in ashes. Hamas is beaten, Hezbollah is beaten, Assad gone (because Israel destroyed Hezbollah), The influence of pro Iranian militias in Iraq also shrinked.

They win in tiktok and twitter Israel wins in real.
Half of your government are openly boasting about it including your PM.
No need for propaganda! You're doing the work yourselves. No need to try pulling wool over our eyes.
You should also stop defending war crimes.
 

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you cant make this stuff up

in the parent tweet:



We get told that say adelson donates 40 million to trumps campaign. Or we get told how 10 thousand, 20 thousand dollars is enough to buy out senators etc. If it were really the case the arabs who collectively pump trillions into the US economy would be the true leaders of that nation.

The reality is what's going on is much deeper then this surface level influence they promote in their controlled media. Yes money comes in, but that money is only allowed to help a specific agenda.
 
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Half of your government are openly boasting about it including your PM.
No need for propaganda! You're doing the work yourselves. No need to try pulling wool over our eyes.
You should also stop defending war crimes.
Prior Israel was attacked on several fronts on 7 Oct no one in right wing government was talking about any expansion. After Israel created small (few km) military buffer zones. That's it.
 

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Celebrations in Lebanon as 10-day ceasefire with Israel begins​

Celebratory gunfire heard in Beirut as truce takes effect, though Lebanese military reports violations.

Joyous scenes occurred across Lebanon, with barrages of gunfire ringing out across Beirut as residents fired into the air just after midnight in celebration.

Displaced families began moving towards southern Lebanon and Beirut’s southern suburbs, despite warnings by officials not to attempt to return to their homes until it became clear whether the ceasefire would hold.

The Lebanese army said early on Friday that Israel committed violations of the ceasefire after it took effect, including intermittent shelling of several southern Lebanese villages. The Israeli military is yet to comment on those claims.

Hezbollah released a lengthy statement detailing what it described as its military operations against Israel throughout Thursday.

The group said it launched its last attack at 11:50pm local time (20:50 GMT), just 10 minutes before the ceasefire took effect.

Trump later issued a social media post urging Hezbollah to respect the ceasefire.

“I hope Hezbollah acts nicely and well during this important period of time. It will be an GREAT moment for them if they do. No more killing. Must finally have PEACE!” he said on Truth Social.


HAHA, time is up, the magic is about to fade.
 

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The concept of "Greater Israel" does not even exist in Hebrew. Greater in Hebrew is "Adir" "Gadol" Atzum" No such thing in Hebrew.

There is only "Israel Shalem" - means complete, undivided. So if someone says he supports Israel Shalem - means u against giving up territories. Not for conquering something,.

In past 50 years Israel was shrinking and only after 7 Oct started expanding a little (creating very narrow military buffer zones).
Could you share a map of Israel and give us the exact size of its territory? Let's see your version of "complete Israel".

Daniela Weiss says:
"It's 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles) – almost as big as the Sahara desert"
So, is she planning to gain all that territory not by conquering but by not giving up? Classic deranged zionist mentality.
 
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Prior Israel was attacked on several fronts on 7 Oct no one in right wing government was talking about any expansion. After Israel created small (few km) military buffer zones. That's it.
You're telling a fairy tale. Although, you don't start a fairy tale in the middle🙂

In the beginning, almost 80 years ago, two states were created in Palestine, then under British jurisdiction: the Jewish state of Israel and the Arab state of Palestine. Israel received a territory of 14,000 square kilometers, and Palestine about 11,000.

But today Israel owns approximately 22,000 or already 28,000 square kilometers, so the Arabs now have less territory.

And what about your settlements in the West Bank?

And where have the Arabs gone? Hundreds of thousands of refugees. Now there are millions! It is from there that organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas, which you call terrorists, came.

And what about the Syrian Golan Heights?

But you are already declaring Mount Hermon a buffer zone, solely for the sake of Israel's security, of course. The same is now happening in southern Lebanon.
But security cannot be one-sided; it can only be mutual, and when one side fails to consider the interests of its neighbors, the result is endless wars.

At the beginning of your current war with Iran, I reread your history, mostly about wars: the destruction of the Temple; its second destruction; the Babylonian captivity; their liberation from captivity by the Persian Shah Cyrus the Great; your wars with the Roman Empire; the Jewish exodus from Israel; the construction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount, and so on, right up until October 7, 2023.

All of this is, of course, tragic. But for 80 years now, the Palestinians have been experiencing the same tragedy as a result of your endless wars.

At the same time, I must say that I am neutral toward both Arabs and Jews.

Israelis talk about security more than anyone else. There are reasons for this, of course. But some of your military operations indicate that you're no longer fighting for Israel's security, but are seeking to expand the occupation to neighboring countries.
Iran is 1,000 kilometers away, and now, with the support of the United States, you're at war with Iran, even bombing Iranian ports on the Caspian Sea! And all this solely for the sake of Israel's security.🙄

Do you even believe this fairy tale?
 

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Ur question included 2 false narratives:

1) There is unconditional US support of Israel.

Never was such thing and before 1967 US position was rather anti Israel than pro Israel.

2) Israel can't survive without it.

Israel survived before 1967 when was much weaker than now and united Arab front was supported by superpower USSR.
You are still not answering the question.

Forget about my narrative and just tell me. What is Israel's strategy when you have a US government that refuses to give any military aid and protection to Israel?
 

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You are still not answering the question.

Forget about my narrative and just tell me. What is Israel's strategy when you have a US government that refuses to give any military aid and protection to Israel?
Israel GDP is over 700 bln, US aid - 3.8 bln. About half percent. :)

Plus that aid must be spent in US, while Israel could spend its money inside Israel boosting its industries.
 

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Israel GDP is over 700 bln, US aid - 3.8 bln. About half percent. :)

Plus that aid must be spent in US, while Israel could spend its money inside Israel boosting its industries.
Let’s set aside your reduction attempt of decades of American security support for Israel to just a few billion dollars and ask the real question again:

When the United States completely cuts off its security support, are you planning to survive simply by boosting your industry?
 

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You're telling a fairy tale. Although, you don't start a fairy tale in the middle🙂

In the beginning, almost 80 years ago, two states were created in Palestine, then under British jurisdiction: the Jewish state of Israel and the Arab state of Palestine. Israel received a territory of 14,000 square kilometers, and Palestine about 11,000.

But today Israel owns approximately 22,000 or already 28,000 square kilometers, so the Arabs now have less territory.

And what about your settlements in the West Bank?

And where have the Arabs gone? Hundreds of thousands of refugees. Now there are millions! It is from there that organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas, which you call terrorists, came.

And what about the Syrian Golan Heights?

But you are already declaring Mount Hermon a buffer zone, solely for the sake of Israel's security, of course. The same is now happening in southern Lebanon.
But security cannot be one-sided; it can only be mutual, and when one side fails to consider the interests of its neighbors, the result is endless wars.

At the beginning of your current war with Iran, I reread your history, mostly about wars: the destruction of the Temple; its second destruction; the Babylonian captivity; their liberation from captivity by the Persian Shah Cyrus the Great; your wars with the Roman Empire; the Jewish exodus from Israel; the construction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount, and so on, right up until October 7, 2023.

All of this is, of course, tragic. But for 80 years now, the Palestinians have been experiencing the same tragedy as a result of your endless wars.

At the same time, I must say that I am neutral toward both Arabs and Jews.

Israelis talk about security more than anyone else. There are reasons for this, of course. But some of your military operations indicate that you're no longer fighting for Israel's security, but are seeking to expand the occupation to neighboring countries.
Iran is 1,000 kilometers away, and now, with the support of the United States, you're at war with Iran, even bombing Iranian ports on the Caspian Sea! And all this solely for the sake of Israel's security.🙄

Do you even believe this fairy tale?
Funny that when the first right wing government of Israel came to power in 1977 Israel controlled Sinai peninsula, which is about 3 times more land area than Israel itself and right wing government gave it for peace.

Since then Israel also gave to Palestinians 100% of Gaza strip and 40% of West Bank.

Israel offered Golan heights to Syria for peace, but they refused.
Israel offered Palestinians 97% of West Bank + free passage from Gaza to West bank throught Israeli territory. They refused.

So Israel was shrinking. And only after 7 Oct after brutal attack on many fronts Israel took some small buffer zones.

If Hamas and Hezbollah disarm (as required per UN, governments of Lebanon and Palestine) , Israel will give up these buffer zones. But we all know that they will never disarm.
 

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Prior Israel was attacked on several fronts on 7 Oct no one in right wing government was talking about any expansion. After Israel created small (few km) military buffer zones. That's it.
We created buffer zones in Syria. No civilians were harmed.
Your soldiers brag about targeting children, SAying prisoners of all ages, and demolishing vital infrastructure while starving an entire population.
They film themselves doing it and wear dead women's underwear and steal the toys.
 

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Let’s set aside your reduction attempt of decades of American security support for Israel to just a few billion dollars and ask the real question again:

When the United States completely cuts off its security support, are you planning to survive simply by boosting your industry?
I already told u: there is nothing critical about US aid to Israel and Israel plans to end it in near future.

BTW Israel by its own initiative ended the economic aid from the US 25 years ago.

Also US military is highly interested in cooperation with Israel. No one has more SEAD experience than Israel, urban warfare, counter insurgency warfare. anti missile defence...
 

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We created buffer zones in Syria. No civilians were harmed.
Your soldiers brag about targeting children, SAying prisoners of all ages, and demolishing vital infrastructure while starving an entire population.
They film themselves doing it and wear dead women's underwear and steal the toys.
Are u sure that no civilians were harmed during seize of Afrin and al Bab?

No civilians were harmed when Israel created buffer zone in Syria. On contrary Israel prevented the slaughter of Druze.
 

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I already told u: there is nothing critical about US aid to Israel and Israel plans to end it in near future.

BTW Israel by its own initiative ended the economic aid from the US 25 years ago.

Also US military is highly interested in cooperation with Israel. No one has more SEAD experience than Israel, urban warfare, counter insurgency warfare. anti missile defence...
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Sure buddy, you can certainly deal with all the surrounding enemies without American security umbrella.

You will do just fine without American radars and AA systems stationed all around the Middle East. You don't actually need aircraft carrier groups that are protecting your ass 24/7. You will be extremely ok without unlimited flux of interceptor missiles. Your airforce is totally independent as you produce your own jets as well.

Anyways, you obviously don't have a plan for a scenario without America. That gives me hope for the future.
 
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