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Let's assume we would have the most modern Air Force in our region right now, so in this case you wouldn't want us to produce Tayfun and Cenk en masse? Why? Or did i misinterpret you?
Ofc we'll serially produce ballistic missiles regardless of the ongoing wars. But he's speaking of gaining deterrence via these missiles, the same mindset Iranians had with their numerous stockpile. It didn't save Iranians and wouldn't improve our deterrence that much unless we equip them with nuclear warheads. I read it as it's the best we can do in the short-term.
 

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Iranian army looks REALLY pathetic right now.
Israel air forces 1500 km from home are doing whatever they want. I didnt expect that.
Turks with a brain knew that a long time ago but somehow outsiders from god knows where tend to think they know that region better.

The thing is you need to be good in many aspects and have to overwhelm your enemy from multiple angles at once and that constantly. That way you certainly get a higher probability of winning a war. Not with spamming less and less BMs when it gets dark...

Türkiye has still lots of work infront of it but is in no way comparable with Iran. Besides BMs, they have NOTHING of relevance.
 

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Turks with a brain knew that a long time ago but somehow outsiders from god knows where tend to think they know that region better.

The thing is you need to be good in many aspects and have to overwhelm your enemy from multiple angles at once and that constantly. That way you certainly get a higher probability of winning a war. Not with spamming less and less BMs when it gets dark...

Türkiye has still lots of work infront of it but is in no way comparable with Iran. Besides BMs, they have NOTHING of relevance.
I don't think anyone doubts that.
 

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Tbh, these are imperative regardless of the state of AF.

But I am a bit skeptical about the acquisition scale and the process of TSK.

Realistically speaking, a credible deterrent stockpile of 1000 Tyfun and 500 chenk should be available by 2033 ideally. That would require multi-billion dollars contracts. Like the Poland is doing it.

While Turkish defence industry continue to deliver azmaning top of the line solutions and capabilities, TSK's resources for procurement of those at scale seems to be limited. This is reflected in the number of AD systems that has been ordered so far imo.

Recents conflicts makes it clear that there is no alternative to quantities. Technology provide edge in a different way but does not substitute for quantities.
I don't know much about the different ballistic missile products of Iran. Do you know how many ballistic missiles did Iranians have(or claims to have) that are equivalent to Tayfun and Cenk in range and(or) in payload if I may ask?
 

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Turkey and Greece haven't been in war since 1924, and haven't been actively shooting each other since 1974 after Greek coup and invasion of Cyprus failed. So yes, two being in NATO do keep the tensions down.


Onus there is on EU for accepting a country with unresolved territorial and governmental disputes against their own rules.
Ask for the most maximal thing, conflict ensues; surprised pikachu face.
 
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Iranian army looks REALLY pathetic right now.
Nothing new,remember the 300+ missiles sent to Israel by Iran?
No Air Force no Navy no Air Defence,just an Army of 2 million with obsolete equipment.
Of the 2 million 90% would give up fighting when shit hits the fan.
Not paper tiger but paper clip Army.
 

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Unless the US improves its financial position, I don't think the US can launch an Iraq-style invasion. Air campaign will be the limit of the US involvement.
 

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Unless the US improves its financial position, I don't think the US can launch an Iraq-style invasion. Air campaign will be the limit of the US involvement.
I think US economy is like the third or fourth thing they are thinking about for such a plan. Noone wants another forever war, especially against a country of 90 million.
 

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This looks like a coordinated attack. Various branches of the Iranian forces are involved, and the attack wave consists of drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. This is sad because only after days, the branches of the Iranian forces come together and coordinate some sort of attack.
 

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This looks like a coordinated attack. Various branches of the Iranian forces are involved, and the attack wave consists of drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. This is sad because only after days, the branches of the Iranian forces come together and coordinate some sort of attack.

Iran reportedly prepared the Hurram 4 liquid-fueled ballistic missile carrying a 2-ton warhead

Spokesperson for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps

We will be Crushing and Destructive


A spokesman for the Revolutionary Guard Corps announced that they would continue to bombard Israel until dawn.


I don't think it's at all like you say.
 

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If it hasn't been decided already that U.S. will enter the conflict and Netanyahu fails to drag them into it and it remains a limited and short engagement, then this was done for populist reasons by Netanyahu against the long-term interests of Israeli national interests, as such an engagement will not be able to stop Iranian enrichment program while giving them ample ground to pursue the bomb later in more secret and even deeper underground facilities.

P.S. The caveat is that Israel is now flying Hermes over the center of the capital; they now know Iranian air defence is a joke and they can treat it like Syria, making intelligence-gathering and sabotage of such a program much easier. But I still believe the sheer size of the country makes it almost impossible to stop such a program even with the kind of air dominance Israel has.

Isreal has to go for the complete and total kill, otherwise what they have done guarantees that Iran gets the nuke and no will blame them. But I've got to imagine they "crusader coalition" calculated this and know that this can't be a half measure, because if it is and the iranian regime survives and continues to exist as an enemy of Isreal, then 100% their getting nukes.
 

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All that talk from Iran, and they only launched 10 missiles, all of which were intercepted
 

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Israel and US exhausting supplies of ballistic missile interceptors, source says​



Israel is using its ballistic missile interceptors at a rapid clip after four days of war with Iran, a senior US official familiar with efforts to resupply Israel told Middle East Eye.

In some quarters of the US government, there are concerns that a direct US strike on Iran could lead to bigger Iranian retaliation against Israel that would drain the US’s global stockpile of missile interceptors to a “horrendous” level, the official said.

Israel relies on a three-tiered air defence system, and Iran’s attacks are challenging its most sophisticated defences.

The Iron Dome is used to shoot down short-range rockets and drones fired by groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. The second level is David’s Sling, which can intercept heavier rockets along with some ballistic missiles. The Arrow 2 and 3 systems are used to down ballistic missiles, with the latter able to shoot down exoatmospheric hypersonic missiles.

Replenishing the Arrow systems has been a perennial problem for Israel.

MEE reported in September 2024 that Israel was struggling to replenish Arrow interceptors after Iran’s first attack on Israel in April of that year. The US and Israel jointly produce Arrow interceptors.

“The types of interceptors that are required to shoot down ballistic missiles are expensive and difficult to produce in mass quantities,” Dan Caldwell, a former senior Department of Defence official in the Trump administration, who opposed military confrontation with Iran, wrote on X.

“I will assume Israel has stockpiled a decent number of Arrows and Stunners for its David's Sling but they have to had expend many of those against the Houthis and during Iran's previous missile attacks last year. It is therefore likely that Israel and US are going to have start rationing their interceptors soon,” he added.

Iran has fired at least 370 ballistic missiles at Israel since 13 June, the Israeli prime minister's press office said on Monday.

Thin margins​

One advantage Israel enjoys that may help address the shortage of interceptors is its air superiority over Iran, which it appears to have obtained within four days of bombing.

Israeli warplanes are operating over Tehran in daylight hours. According to Israel’s military, they have taken out about one-third of Iran’s surface-to-surface missile launch capabilities.

Josh Paul, a former US State Department official who resigned in protest against US support for Israel’s war on Gaza, told MEE that Israel has selectively targeted Iran’s launch capabilities.

“We don’t know how much more Iran can launch. I think it is a problem more of launchers than missiles,” he said. However, the two US officials MEE spoke with said that Iran is still holding back in its missile attacks, partly at least to avoid the US directly joining Israel in offensive operations.

Three Arab officials, including some whose countries are mediating between the US and Iran, told MEE on Monday that they believe the US is more likely than not to directly intervene in Israel’s offensive strikes.

The US’s carefully constructed line between intervening or not is growing thinner, though. Several current and former US officials who spoke to MEE described the US as “co-belligerent” to the conflict because it is actively participating in Israel’s defence.

The US is trying to make up for a shortfall in Israel’s own interceptors, the officials say.

The US has shot down Israeli missiles using at least one Terminal High-Altitude Area Defence antimissile battery in Israel. The US also has several Patriot antimissile batteries across the region.

Notably, a separate US defence official confirmed to MEE on Monday that the US has fired SM-3 air-defence missiles to protect Israel.

The SM-3 is the ship-mounted version of the Patriot. The official said the USS Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer participated in Israel's defence from the eastern Mediterranean.

Defence analysts noted that during the US’s 2024 campaign against the Houthis in Yemen, the US Navy fired a year’s worth of SM-3 interceptors in a single day.

As the war between Israel and Iran enters its fifth day, the US is sending more military assets into the theatre of operations.

The USS Nimitz aircraft carrier is en route from the South China Sea to the Middle East, according to ship tracking data. The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson is already in the Middle East.

 
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