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according to news with phone number registered to MHP Sirnak party member, a call is made with the terrorist.
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Is such news legitimate or not?
Damn, that would be a huge scandal
It is just that I didnt see other news channel reporting such news so I have some doubts
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Here is my 50 cent:
IMHO the Eurosian group in government ordered it in order to ruin relationship with NATO as well as new arm deal with USA. Especially F-16.
Bahçeli and Süleyman Soylu seem to me very pro-russian.
IMHO the Eurosian group in government ordered it in order to ruin relationship with NATO as well as new arm deal with USA. Especially F-16.
Bahçeli and Süleyman Soylu seem to me very pro-russian.
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More info regarding the terrorist
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If you search mhp in twitter you would ge similar reports. However,
According to MHP the part member called by police because of name similarity.
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Name similarity, I see
Probably that is why most news channel havent posted such news until it is completely verified I guess
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he asked his minister to reject for the public attention , but when he faced Biden he didn’t dare
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We still planning to come suddenly one night?
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Probably though it is not as easy for Turks as it is for British. Britain always has some allie on hand.
Maybe Turks have some southern naibourgs alas they only shoot in the air from balconies
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British politics is too shrewd, they would never allow a PKK state to form on her border and they wouldn't have waited so long for say the americans and russians to entrench themselves there.
While Britain's boss the Americans play bad cop towards the Turks, the British have moved into the naïve space left open by the Turks to play good cop. So the ango-american world gets the benefit from both screwing the Turks and doing business with the Turks. Usually a nation who attacks one loses all the benefits and the one who sides with a nation cannot benefit from cheating said nation, but the anglo-american world gets it all.
Unless Turks get statesman of the quality of past geniuses like Ataturk or Mehmed II, everything they do will be a constant grind. Shite like the PKK will grind on for another 50 years.
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Listen dude I know exactly how Britain thinks and in which positionis Turkey is, l worked for some " distinguished " institutions of United Kingdom, I came to Britain not as refugee. As of recipe what should be done I don't know. I don't think in principle much better things can be done. I am speaking now from poin of a Bosnian. It is pretty clear to me that my mear existence bothers the west. It is truly unbearable for Europe to let country which is unique in sense that it was never Christian to exist even more then Albania which was Christian. Likewise the existence of Turkey in any reasonable form is untolerable as it is the nation who always stood toe to toe with anybody etc etc. Point is Europe was always monolithic in its relations with whom they perceive as a threat. As I as Bosnian am waiting since 1995 for the second half match so Turks wait from 1923 and even Inonu said that.
I tend mostly reliy of knowing the nature of my opposition, their habits , history and mentality so I know well what's coming. I absolutely have no any fear of it and I know we Bosnians as Turks are absolutely alone in this. It doesn't bother me at all,what I don't have I can do without. Maybe some people realised that fact too late unfortunately.
I tend mostly reliy of knowing the nature of my opposition, their habits , history and mentality so I know well what's coming. I absolutely have no any fear of it and I know we Bosnians as Turks are absolutely alone in this. It doesn't bother me at all,what I don't have I can do without. Maybe some people realised that fact too late unfortunately.
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Politically speaking i would rate Turkey around 3 out of 10. Nearly falls into every trap prepared for her, shows little to no foresight over what she does, a good example the s400. Complete inability to achieve anything diplomatically and the nation spends most her time trying to correct her own silly mistakes, like destroying relations with nations for no personal benefit.
But Turks tolerate it so its their reward. The peace process was a good example, basically legitimised the PKK to the entire world, turned ocalan into an icon for Kurdish terrorism/separatism and then found herself facing a bigger PKK problem at the end of it all. The enemy starts the fire under the Turks and then the Turks go and throw fuel onto it thinking its going to resolve the problem.
Britain on the other hand i would say 9 out of 10. Nearly everything they do follows a long term strategy that looks to maximise British interests. Then when they go fight an illegal war to rob a nation of her resources they bring along friends to hedge the risk so that they can't get caught out all alone.
Now naturally Britians positions is far easier, part of the civilisation that conquered the world and existing as an island far away from any troubles. While the Turks sit in one of the hardest geographies on earth with nearly nothing but war, conflict and poverty bordering her. Then to make it worse she finds herself as the historic head of a civilisation that was almost entirely conquered and dominated by the current rulers of the earth. And unlike Europeans or white Christians in general who will find common purpose to oppose Muslims, most Muslim states today perceive and portray the Turks as their enemy. So Turks got everything a lot harder, even more reason why they shouldn't tolerate even the slightest political failure.
Lizz Truss became prime minister, she made economic decisions that were only 1% as bad as AK party has done, within 44 days she was removed. You see the difference?
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The guy himself said he got questioned by police and claimed the terrorists are playing a game, after asking what game he refused to answer because he is uncomfortable...
things like this are the reason i struggle to believe soylu.
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I think a great deal of your post is not to me but for the audience here who would support the positions which you like and you know it will resonate with. Let's say s400 , do you think that any sovereign country would accept not to test something which cost 5bn? Or that system if needs to be used then it would have to go through central command of NATO? Or when we see the pricing then Sweden ( SUCH strategic country) gets such a bargain.
As of pkk , it was always interesting to me how it could have come to that they so indoctrinated? I wrote some time ago here that all left wing movements apart of the official communist party of Turkey were established by the West and the same was in Italy etc etc .
It is really strange to compare the position of Turkey and Britain, it is very strange parallel and I believe you are well aware of that.
I believe that mistakes were done but worse was looking for the friendship of the people whose biggest problem is when someone piss downstream towards their village and then they shoot in the air from balconies. Turkey shouldn't pay attention to the people obsessed with the " revolution " because, let's say just one city of those revolutionaries 1948 had the population of 200k but today over 2 millions, in other words it was only sex revolution ( pretty similar like the west in 60s)
As of pkk , it was always interesting to me how it could have come to that they so indoctrinated? I wrote some time ago here that all left wing movements apart of the official communist party of Turkey were established by the West and the same was in Italy etc etc .
It is really strange to compare the position of Turkey and Britain, it is very strange parallel and I believe you are well aware of that.
I believe that mistakes were done but worse was looking for the friendship of the people whose biggest problem is when someone piss downstream towards their village and then they shoot in the air from balconies. Turkey shouldn't pay attention to the people obsessed with the " revolution " because, let's say just one city of those revolutionaries 1948 had the population of 200k but today over 2 millions, in other words it was only sex revolution ( pretty similar like the west in 60s)
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Apparently, this is ragip soylu's analysis regarding the MHP issue
Is he trying to protect the AKP or is what he said actually made sense? Accordinb to him, it is common for terrorists to forge such identities
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Is he trying to protect the AKP or is what he said actually made sense? Accordinb to him, it is common for terrorists to forge such identities
Thoughts? @xenon54 @Anmdt @tornadoss et al.....
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Im not saying it was an inside job, let me post the analysis from our beloved @Kartal1 he, in contrary to me, is not too lazy to write a detailed theory so there you go.
He is coming to the same conclusion as me, all other theories make less sense to me.
Usually when planning such an act you try to minimize contacts and minimize the knowledge of the liw key members of the cell like the bomber about the identity of the higher ranked individuals. Right after the attack they managed to arrest her and also over 40 individuals which are suspects in this case.
This means that either this cell was under surveillance or the first arrested members of the group talked too soon.
According to the information the security services gathered the order came from Kobani (a symbolic city for the PYD/YPG) and the plan was to exfiltrate to Greece and there they had to kill the bomber.
No PKK or YPG claimed the attack. Not even TAK claimed any responsibility and the information the suspects gave directly pointed at PKK.
By what I see I don't think it's PKK because they would win nothing with such an attack right now. Also I don't think that there is a need for Syrian national to travel to Istanbul and work with a local cell to do such an attack because PKK has enough people that can do this job in Türkiye.
The suspect is saying that she received a special intelligence personnel training by YPG. Now it is good to see where was her recruitment place and where was she tasked while operating in Syria.
Another interesting fact is that right after the attack Palestinian, Lebanese and also Iranian State media started circulating a picture showing the attacker moving while 2 Israeli female military personnel in civilian clothing are passing right next to her. They managed to identify the Israeli military personnel with their names and also showed picture of them in the same clothing on a different place. You need some skills and information to do this.
The way I see this is that Iranian/Regime intelligence recruited her from YPG/HRE ranks in areas where they are active like Qamishli, Ayn Issa, Tal Rifat or Sheikh Maqsood (Aleppo) and ordered her to do this. They worked with an Regime intelligence cell in Türkiye and everybody managed to infiltrate the border as a refugee. 37 out of 48 arrested in the following operations were foreigners (the most are Syrians).
The political goal here is to blame YPG (de-facto the US) for the attack, force reconciliation between the Regime and Türkiye, provoke a direct meeting between Turkish and Regime officials, provoke military operation against the YPG east of Euphrates with Iranian, Regime and Russian blessing, force further deterioration of US-Turkey relationship, destabilizing of the situation in Syria by placing the base for a Iraqi scenario of US abandoning PYD and leaving Syria, strengthening the position of the "Axis of Resistance" in the region, deteriorating the positive relationship between Türkiye and Israel which will be influential for the relationship with Azerbaijan, the situation in Southern Azerbaijan and Caucasus, isolating Türkiye further and leaving the country vulnerable to diplomatic and military hostilities including hostilities over Idlib, Southern Azerbaijan and the north of Iraq.
Strategically it sounds good but to me as you said it looks amateurish in operative sense. Here the biggest fear for me is that the situation also helps the government by finding another excuse to start a military operation east of Euphrates and will strengthen the government's position because "it is a time for unity and we must fight together"... wink wink. Suslu Sulu also started with the anti-US rhetoric right after the attack. I only hope that they didn't knew that but if they knew and somehow acted in coordination with the Iranians... may they go to hell.
I don't want to whitewash the YPG/PKK in any way, they are horrible organization that needs to be destroyed together with all its wings but I really don't think that they were the ones that did this. At least not the ones from Qandil or the east of Euphrates (the Mazlum Abdi gang).
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Interesting analysis tbh
This is certainly another way to interpret the incident
Sadly, we may not be able to know the whole truth as many things are still shrouded in mystery
But I dont really think that such actions will force Turkey to even doubt Israel IMO! Rn, Israel's Mossad and Turkey's MIT are the best of friends proven by the fact that Israel recently helped MIT in capturing many Iranian agents within Turkey; thus, I dont really think that Israel had a hand in this fiasco
As for the Israeli tourists, lets not forget that most of Israeli citizens (wether men or women) are actually soldiers within the Israeli army. After the recent imrpovement in relationship, more than 660,000 Israelis went to Turkey for vacation in less than a year; co sidering that Israel's population is only like 5-6 million which means that nearly 25% of Israel visited Turkey and this may increase the possibility of military personnel being co-incedentally eithin the vicinity of the attack
Ofcourse all of this is theoritical as none of us have definite proof
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Out of 100 things Süslü said 99 are lies, 1 is suspicious. He just lies about everything.
I think, this is a jihadist terrorism act, most probably Nusra. Süslü is throwing the blame to pkk to cover government's incompetency about protecting the border.
Also, we need to wait to see if there is going to be a second bombing soon. This same story happened in 2015. When they lost the election, for 3 months bombs exploded in the cities and they raised their votes, bombings stopped. Same thing may be happening again.
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It just reminds me on how the Russian attack on Turkish soldiers was blamed on Assad to save face.
Right now is a similar situation that blaming Iran will not only serve no purpose but also put risk on cheap gas deliveries from Iran.
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Agreed 100%
