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I am rather conflicted on how I feel about the situation in Kazakhstan. On one hand we all can sympathize with the desire of Kazakh people for a more free and transparent government that is not bound by old Soviet institution and power structures, and on the other hand you don't want any destabilizing actors within your country when you are neighbor's with Russia. I simply wish for the best outcome, any potential civil war would be a dooms day scenario for our kin.
 

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@Saithan @T-123456 and others were criticizing me just a few weeks ago for pointing out the fact the entire Turkic world is in disarray, poor, dictatorial and generally speaking simply pathetic and disgusting.

Kazakhstan is just another example that proves my point. The people are rightfully angry and they, indeed, should throw out this government.

Instead of giving the people back their right to determine the future of their country and nation, the Kazakh elite opted to become a Russian subject once again.

Pan-Turkism is one of the stupidest political concepts out there, basically on par with the Islamist ummah narrative.

I'd rather rip Turkey into pieces before I go into a union with Central Asians - especially not with Kazakh people.

Lol Muslim Ummah and Pan Turkism gives Turkiye soft power.

By the way we need to reach out to our Central Asian Brothers if not Russia and China are gonna take it all.

A Kazakh is more of my brother than a Arab, Armenian or a Greek.

Stop splitting Turkic people up.

Seriously Turkey has a postive image in the Islamic World and the Turkic world. We are not gonna give it up. No matter what.

Muslim Ummah does not have to include Arabs or Persians.

Pan Turkism may never work. But Turkey should always strive to help their Turkic brothers. We cant abandoned them. Its coward talk. When you have Russia, China and Iran. 3 biggest enemies in our history making moves in Central Asia.
 

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@Saithan @T-123456 and others were criticizing me just a few weeks ago for pointing out the fact the entire Turkic world is in disarray, poor, dictatorial and generally speaking simply pathetic and disgusting.

Kazakhstan is just another example that proves my point. The people are rightfully angry and they, indeed, should throw out this government.

Instead of giving the people back their right to determine the future of their country and nation, the Kazakh elite opted to become a Russian subject once again.

Pan-Turkism is one of the stupidest political concepts out there, basically on par with the Islamist ummah narrative.

I'd rather rip Turkey into pieces before I go into a union with Central Asians - especially not with Kazakh people.

Kazakhstan has lots of Russians because the Russian both Tsarist and Soviet eras butchered Kazakhs and settled their people there.

Parts of Kazakhstan suffer from nuclear fallout from nuclear tests look up the Kazakh famine.

Kazakhstan suffered a lot from the Russians.

Turkmenistan usually escaped from such brutality because the Russians could not control the region properly and left it as a backwater due to Turkmens constant resistance.

Dont get me wrong we not gonna build some super Muslim Ummah empire or a Pan Turkic Empire.

But we should not reject our Kazakh brothers.
 
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Mixed feelings, on one side it is welcomed removal of those pseudo Stalin nation fathers of Central Asian Republic and on the other hand negative impact of turmoil and reemerging of Russia as main actor in internal affairs of such important state as Kazakhstan.
 

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The situation is very hard. It was rumored months ago that Russia have plans to invade Kazakhstan. The Russian population is ~20% Russian mainly concentrated in the northern part of the country. People on the field are pointing that the protests are not deeply organized but rather spontaneous and the protesters don't have clear demands or leaders. Many of the people don't even known what exactly they are protesting for and rather they are just mad at the situation. The key point here was the environment that made possible for simple provocations to escalate and turn to what we see now.

Protesters are disarming security forces and are capturing points of strategic importance. Special Forces HQs were being breached and valuable equipment and weapons were captured. Firefights on some places are going on and till now there are tens of killed and wounded. The Kazakhstani security forces are refraining from escalating the situation. There is information about exceptional brutality like beheadings and corpse mutilations. After Kazakhstan requested help from the CSTO Russia reacted immediately and the first peacekeepers from the Airborne units are on the place. Within the CSTO mechanism unknown numbers of Russian, Belarusian, 200 Tajikistan and 70 Armenian soldiers are expected to go to Kazakhstan. Sources are talking about 3600 strong CSTO deployment. Chances of civil war are high.

Russia Today Editor in Chief Simonyan is putting 6 conditions in front of Kazakhstan for Russian intervention:

1. Recognition of Crimea as Russian
2. Return to Cyrilic alphabet
3. Russian language as a second State language
4. Leave the Russian schools alone
5. Destroy the anti-Russian NGOs in the country
6. Pro-Russian orientation and ceasing of promoting nationalist ideas

Around 1 week ago two journalists named Nazgul Kenzhetay and Emin Karacak were arrested by the Russian federal police in the Hakasya Republic in Russia. The two were there to promote the Turkic culture and create a documental movie regarding the Turkic people in Russia. They were arrested, searched, their hard drives erased but thankfully they managed to save one. After pressure from the international community and other journalists they were released.

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STATEMENT OF THE ORGANIZATION OF TURKIC STATES ON THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE IN KAZAKHSTAN​

In light of the recent events in Kazakhstan, Member States of the Organization of Turkic States;

Emphasize the importance they attach to peace and stability in Kazakhstan and express their strong solidarity with the Member State Kazakhstan,

Voice their trust in the wisdom and desire of the brotherly Kazakh people to return to normalcy,

State their confidence in the capacity of the Kazakh authorities to peacefully defuse tensions and reestablish calm and order,

Express their readiness to support the people and government of Kazakhstan as needed,

Convey their condolences for those who lost their lives during the incidents and wish speedy recovery to the injured.

Organization of Turkic States
NEWS DATE: 06.01.2022

 

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New Front Kazakhstan in Turkish. Google translate isn't super accurate, but the gist of the article could be explained with the initial paragraph of the article.

Short answer: FETO and similar CIA-linked so-called NGOs attempted an American-British coup d'etat together with elements within the state. The aim was to open a new front against Russia (before the Putin Biden meeting on January 12), which was under the threat of war on Ukraine and the Western front, and to bring Kazakhstan, the most critical belt country in China's Belt and Road Initiative, to Western influence. Or at least to create instability and chaos.
 

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Turkic council should have its own force.

Turkey and the Turkic countries own armies is better than having a Russian led alliance.

What the f have the Turks been doing this whole time??

How come none have thought about a taskforce led by the Turkic peoples themselves to reply to unrest or the threats of terrorism.

Another potential wasted. Nothing else could be said to be honest.

Pes yani
 

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Turkic council should have its own force.

Turkey and the Turkic countries own armies is better than having a Russian led alliance.

What the f have the Turks been doing this whole time??

How come none have thought about a taskforce led by the Turkic peoples themselves to reply to unrest or the threats of terrorism.

Another potential wasted. Nothing else could be said to be honest.

Pes yani
The intervention of turkey and the other turkish members would have been a good oportunity to show solidarity, and unity with kazakhstan
 
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It really boggles the mind why Turkey didn't offer to send any peacekeeping forces.

Hell, why didn't WE offer to send any peacekeeping forces? Azerbaijan literally signed new military cooperation agreements with Kazakhstan a couple of months ago.

The situation is very hard. It was rumored months ago that Russia have plans to invade Kazakhstan. The Russian population is ~20% Russian mainly concentrated in the northern part of the country. People on the field are pointing that the protests are not deeply organized but rather spontaneous and the protesters don't have clear demands or leaders. Many of the people don't even known what exactly they are protesting for and rather they are just mad at the situation. The key point here was the environment that made possible for simple provocations to escalate and turn to what we see now.

Protesters are disarming security forces and are capturing points of strategic importance. Special Forces HQs were being breached and valuable equipment and weapons were captured. Firefights on some places are going on and till now there are tens of killed and wounded. The Kazakhstani security forces are refraining from escalating the situation. There is information about exceptional brutality like beheadings and corpse mutilations. After Kazakhstan requested help from the CSTO Russia reacted immediately and the first peacekeepers from the Airborne units are on the place. Within the CSTO mechanism unknown numbers of Russian, Belarusian, 200 Tajikistan and 70 Armenian soldiers are expected to go to Kazakhstan. Sources are talking about 3600 strong CSTO deployment. Chances of civil war are high.

Russia Today Editor in Chief Simonyan is putting 6 conditions in front of Kazakhstan for Russian intervention:

1. Recognition of Crimea as Russian
2. Return to Cyrilic alphabet
3. Russian language as a second State language
4. Leave the Russian schools alone
5. Destroy the anti-Russian NGOs in the country
6. Pro-Russian orientation and ceasing of promoting nationalist ideas


Around 1 week ago two journalists named Nazgul Kenzhetay and Emin Karacak were arrested by the Russian federal police in the Hakasya Republic in Russia. The two were there to promote the Turkic culture and create a documental movie regarding the Turkic people in Russia. They were arrested, searched, their hard drives erased but thankfully they managed to save one. After pressure from the international community and other journalists they were released.
They are asking for a reinforcement of the 1995 constitution while the ethnic Kazakhs are asking for a full return to the 1993 constitution. This is absolutely going to end in violence, possibly a Chechnya situation.

Now would be a really good time for the Turkic Council to prove it actually has a backbone.
 

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Mixed feelings, on one side it is welcomed removal of those pseudo Stalin nation fathers of Central Asian Republic and on the other hand negative impact of turmoil and reemerging of Russia as main actor in internal affairs of such important state as Kazakhstan.

Lol current Kazakh goverment & President are Russian proxies.

Tokayev is like Fikret Abdic being president of Bosnia. Traitors who work for Russia.

This uprising is not about fuel. The Kazakh have had enough of Russian opression.

Its time people on this forum support their brave Kazakh brothers instead of masturbating to RT conspiracy theories.
 

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Lol current Kazakh goverment & President are Russian proxies.

Tokayev is like Fikret Abdic being president of Bosnia. Traitors who work for Russia.

This uprising is not about fuel. The Kazakh have had enough of Russian opression.

Its time people on this forum support their brave Kazakh brothers instead of masturbating to RT conspiracy theories.
never the less, he conducted some steps in order to distance Kazakh nation from Russia in cultural and educational sense, hence i have rather superficial knowledge about that state beside that they are like other central asian republics which are some strange dictatorships.
 

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New Front Kazakhstan in Turkish. Google translate isn't super accurate, but the gist of the article could be explained with the initial paragraph of the article.
As Engin Alan said recently the BOP project is not only limited to the Middle East but also similar games are played in Eurasia. The puppets and the masters can change at any time.
 
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There will be a lot of blood. Press about protests in Kazakhstan
TEXT: VALERY LITONINSKY, 6 January 2022, 13:43


In Kazakhstan, the Internet is turned off, banks are not working and the children of the victims are already not working - the whole world is closely following the protests.
Kazakhstan is in the top of world news. Observers agree that the mass protests triggered by the rise in gas prices are in fact caused by deeper reasons - widespread dissatisfaction with the government, corruption, nepotism and an authoritarian political system that did not leave people the opportunity to express their disagreement in any legal way. ...

Korrespondent.net has collected publications of the Western press about the events in Kazakhstan.

Goodbye grandfather!

The anger of protesters in Kazakhstan is largely directed against Nursultan Nazarbayev, who has concentrated enormous power in his hands over the long years of rule, the Guardian notes.

"Nazarbayev and his family monopolized all sectors - from banks to roads and gas. These protests are against corruption," protest protester Zauresh Shekenova, a 55-year-old resident of Zhanaozen, a city in the Mangistau region of Kazakhstan where the unrest began, quoted the Guardian.

"It all started with the rise in gas prices, but the real reason for the protests is poor living conditions, high prices, unemployment, corruption," she says.

"The authorities are trying everything possible to calm the situation - both with promises and threats, but so far it does not work," says Almaty political analyst Dosym Satpayev.



Signal to the Kremlin

For the Kremlin, writes the American New York Times, these events represent another potential challenge to autocracy in the neighboring country. This is the third uprising against authoritarianism in a country that has allied relations with Russia after Ukraine and Belarus.

The chaos here threatens to undermine Moscow's influence in the region at a time when Russia is trying to assert its economic and geopolitical power in Belarus and Ukraine.

Other countries of the former Soviet Union are also closely monitoring developments that could energize opposition forces elsewhere.

The protests in Kazakhstan are a warning signal for the Kremlin, according to Russian expert on Central Asia Arkady Dubnov, who describes the authorities of this country as "a smaller copy of the Russian ones."

"There is no doubt that the Kremlin would not like to see an example of how such a regime begins to speak with the opposition and yield to its demands," Dubnov emphasizes.


Long game

The protests in Kazakhstan are likely to continue for a long time, Erika Marat, an adjunct professor of regional and analytical studies at the National Defense University in Washington, told German television station Tagesschau. She explores the problems of violence, mobilization and security in Central Asia and the post-Soviet space.

The protests began peacefully, the protesters did not attack anyone, says Erika Marat, but the authorities provoked an escalation. Unfortunately, we see this again and again in the post-Soviet space and in other parts of the world: autocrats think they can intimidate demonstrators with water cannons, tear gas and the number of riot police.

In fact, this is well known to researchers of conflicts: the use of force by the state in such a situation only leads to an escalation and an increase in the number of protests. The same thing happened in Kazakhstan: they tried to suppress the demonstrators by force, as a result, the situation got out of control, and people have already begun to use violence against the authorities.

Role of the USA


Events in Kazakhstan are important for the United States as well, writes the New York Times, as it is an important country for American energy interests. Exxon Mobil and Chevron have poured tens of billions of dollars into fields in western Kazakhstan, right where the protests began.

The Kazakh government, while maintaining close ties with Moscow, cultivated an equally close relationship with Washington, seeing American investment as a counterbalance to Russian influence.

In turn, the American government, the newspaper notes, has long been much less critical of post-Soviet authoritarianism in Kazakhstan than in Russia or Belarus.
 
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