TR KizilElma ¦ Akinci ¦ Aksungur | Plus Various Turkish Unmanned Autonomous Programs

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exactly and used his power to really kick them up to place of untouchableness.

sidelined many turkish defense companies favorizing his groom.

now they’re doing what they can to ensure the safety by relocating the company abroad. Just like how Yildizlar relocated abroad to counter AKP witchhunt on domestic conglomerates.

Or maybe that they just want to secure their partnership with Ukraine, especially with the engines. Remember that without Ukrainians engines Kizilelma won’t fly.

I also think that Ukraine will order a large number of TB2s and Kizilelma’s in the future.
 

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Or maybe that they just want to secure their partnership with Ukraine, especially with the engines. Remember that without Ukrainians engines Kizilelma won’t fly.

I also think that Ukraine will order a large number of TB2s and Kizilelma’s in the future.
Kızılelma will be a game changer for their airforce, miles ahead than what they can buy (and operate)
 

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Saudi Arabia has not been a reliable partner for Türkiye because Türkiye was not a reliable partner for them either. We didn't have the strength to be relied on. Türkiye was nobody; no military power with only soldiers but not weapons; no economic power with no technology and capital; no power in diplomacy which could not even defend its citizens. Today's Türkiye is a different one; military power is there; diplomacy is there; technology is getting there; economy size is respectable. They can now rely on Turkish military power for protection and Turkish banking system to park their money. We are living in a different world now.

This is a good post.

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for 3 years they will produce 500 or 400 TB2, total ther are 22 countries who have buyed the drone. They are capable to build 20 TB2 in a month, they are tunning the production line to 30 TB2. They need 3 years to proces the orders. This is a crazy company.....
 

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How can a updated/upgraded TB2 looks like?
TB2 with satcom upgrade -on the left- looks different.
Whatever they have done to the plane it can now accommodate 4 x Mam-L missiles rather than 2 x Mam-L and 2 x Mam-C. (probably at the expense of fuel and altitude)
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TB2 with satcom upgrade -on the left- looks different.
Whatever they have done to the plane it can now accommodate 4 x Mam-L missiles rather than 2 x Mam-L and 2 x Mam-C. (probably at the expense of fuel and altitude)
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What’s the payload of 4 Mam-L? And what about to integrate EW-systems?
 

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What’s the payload of 4 Mam-L? And what about to integrate EW-systems?
Mam-L missiles weigh 22 kg each. But they have missile release mechanisms that add extra weight. One mustn’t forget the weight of Electro Optical laser targeting machinery either. (CATS etc)
What EW system they use is a secret. But that too should add a good deal of weight. However Aselsan’s ground system, Vural EW system should be used together with TB2 to take full advantage.
 

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Mam-L missiles weigh 22 kg each. But they have missile release mechanisms that add extra weight. One mustn’t forget the weight of Electro Optical laser targeting machinery either. (CATS etc)
What EW system they use is a secret. But that too should add a good deal of weight. However Aselsan’s ground system, Vural EW system should be used together with TB2 to take full advantage.
Thats really new for me. I always thougt on external EW system like Koral.
 

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TB2 with satcom upgrade -on the left- looks different.
Whatever they have done to the plane it can now accommodate 4 x Mam-L missiles rather than 2 x Mam-L and 2 x Mam-C. (probably at the expense of fuel and altitude)
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Does addition of the satcom, decrease the payload capacity? Can both orignal tb-2 and tb-2 with satcom carry same number of ammunition?
 

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Does addition of the satcom, decrease the payload capacity? Can both orignal tb-2 and tb-2 with satcom carry same number of ammunition?
That is the logical assumption. Because you have satcom capability you can not omit LOS communication. So you would have both. That means extra weight that eats in to your maximum payload capacity.
TB2S, as it was named, may use a different engine. But we have not seen these new satcom versions in operational guise yet.
One thing is definite; That is the fact that due to satcom capability, the TB2 is rendered very resistant to electronic jamming.
 

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Thats really new for me. I always thougt on external EW system like Koral.
The first TB2’s during Euphrates Shield operations were very heavily electronically jammed and could not function properly. AnkaS UAVs with Satcom capabilities were sent in to take over from TB2s. It was only towards the end of the operation that the TB2s became resistant to EW jamming. Similar case was observed in Karabakh where very heavy EW jamming was applied to the TB2s - according to Armenian sources Russians’ latest EW programs were used -. But they only lasted about an hour or two before TB2’s had adapted and started bombing again.
These events clearly show that they possess some form of counter EW capability to blind enemy AD systems that were built in to these UAVs after their deficiency was discovered. But what they are and how much they weigh should be a secret anyway.
Aselsan Vural is the Redet-2 EW system that will replace Koral.


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