TR Land Vehicle Programs

[TheInsider]

It can carry as many ATGMs as the user wants.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407254055949381633

7.62mm to be mounted on AFV etc ready for delivery ( and being delivered)

 

[Khagan1923]

Visible design changes on Tulpar IFV.


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Air Intake seems to have been moved from the right side to the front. Possibly new Powerpack in use? (Tümosan?)

In 2019 Tümosan had mentioned they had achieved 530 hp and were working on 750, 1000 and 1500 hp variants.

Front seems to have undergone slight changes too.

As well as more sensors and a new Turret with a lower profile.

I think Tulpar with a indigenous powerpack would be the perfect candidate for the Land Forces next gen IFV. Add rubber tracks, Akkor L and Korhan and you have possible the best IFV in Europe besides the CV90NL of the Dutch Army.

Elbit Systems to equip Netherlands CV90 with Iron Fist APS

BAE Systems Hägglunds has awarded a contract to Elbit Systems to support the Royal Netherlands Army’s CV90 IFVs modernisation programme.

www.army-technology.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407252698613886977

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407290148342087683

A defense industry company does not need actors for advertisement

 

[Huelague]

Visible design changes on Tulpar IFV.


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Exhaust seems to have been moved from the right side to the front. Possibly new Powerpack in use? (Tümosan?)

In 2019 Tümosan had mentioned they had achieved 530 hp and were working on 750, 1000 and 1500 hp variants.

Front seems to have undergone slight changes too.

As well as more sensors and a new Turret with a lower profile.

I think Tulpar with a indigenous powerpack would be the perfect candidate for the Land Forces next gen IFV. Add rubber tracks, Akkor L and Korhan and you have possible the best IFV in Europe besides the CV90NL of the Dutch Army.

Elbit Systems to equip Netherlands CV90 with Iron Fist APS

BAE Systems Hägglunds has awarded a contract to Elbit Systems to support the Royal Netherlands Army’s CV90 IFVs modernisation programme.

www.army-technology.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407252698613886977

Still one of top 10 best IFV in the world!
Still, no idea why not in our inventory.

 

[Combat-Master]

Still one of top 10 best IFV in the world!
Still, no idea why not in our inventory.

Because we have ZMA modernisation package. Tulpar doesn't bring anything ground breaking to the table.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Are you kidding me?

I thought Tulpar looked perfect before but now I see that it looks even better!
What a f***ing beauty!

 

[Huelague]

Because we have ZMA modernisation package. Tulpar doesn't bring anything ground breaking to the table.

It’s a cheap solution, no doubt, but I have one about there capabilities. I think they are not really able to protect a tank . Something like a „Ground Wingman“ is what we need. Or for an asymmetric warfare a light tank which Tulpar can be. If we talk about the same „M-116“ vehicles (ZMA), they are not able to do this job in the same way.

We can compare both vehicles Tulpar/ZMA to look on pros and cons of the vehicles.

 

[Spook]

Because we have ZMA modernisation package. Tulpar doesn't bring anything ground breaking to the table.

It also to do with our doctrine that is yet to change. Quantity is chosen over qualities, capabilities. Army wants cost-effective armor to transport troops. We have one of the highest active and reserved personnel number. If there is going to be next gen IFV, considering Army would not want two separate different vehicles. Similar to ACV-15. It would be probably based on an new APC like ACV-30 to bring down costs.

Then there is politics.

 

[Lool]

It also to do with our doctrine that is yet to change. Quantity is chosen over qualities, capabilities. Army wants cost-effective armor to transport troops. We have one of the highest active and reserved personnel number. If there is going to be next gen IFV, considering Army would not want two separate different vehicles. Similar to ACV-15. It would be probably based on an new APC like ACV-30 to bring down costs.

Then there is politics.

Idk why, but just reading ppls comments over the past month makes me feel that there is some sort of a grudge between the government and otokar.......l if 8ts true then why? It is a beautiful company

 

[Stimpy75]

me perssonaly i don't like otokar, the percentage of local components in their products is rather low....like more assembling than producing....just my 2cent

 

[Spook]

me perssonaly i don't like otokar, the percentage of local components in their products is rather low....like more assembling than producing....just my 2cent

Koc Holding with Otosan, Tofaş even though have the capability don't go beyond their partnership with Ford and Fiat. They did bring manufacturing capabilities and grow human capital but it is not sustainable if we don't create products with our own brands. They do have capability to develop variety of different products including that wouldn't create issues with partners. Koc only seems to be taking ambitious steps in home appliances sector.

I don't like Koc Holding for many reasons but still. Otokar makes great products. Otokar not being able to compete in fair environment is not okay. It is very bad for the whole industry. Nobody should have an old boy network to get tenders. It's going to discourage new companies.

 

[Nutuk]

me perssonaly i don't like otokar, the percentage of local components in their products is rather low....like more assembling than producing....just my 2cent

I personally like otokar more than BMC

Otokar signed contract to develop a tank and did deliver an excellent tank
BMC signed contract to build that tank, now where is the tank?

I like professional companies, companies that deliver

 

[Philips]

now where is the tank?

You know better than this.

me perssonaly i don't like otokar, the percentage of local components in their products is rather low....like more assembling than producing....just my 2cent

There is a reason they hide the internals of the Altay. I think it is full of foreign parts.

 

[BordoEnes]

Because we have ZMA modernisation package. Tulpar doesn't bring anything ground breaking to the table.

Stop making sense you cuck! I want my Tulpar.

 

[Nutuk]

Yes I know better!
BMC got free piece of land in Karasu to build her factory, where is it?

They got huge incentives and also the Leopard 2 modernization at the same time that Aselsan got the M60T modernization. Aselsan delivered all the modernized tanks, how many did BMC deliver?


Usually if a company wins a tender (even there we have big question marks on the tank serial production tender), a tender is taken away if that company for whatever reason can't deliver (happened to Tumosan). Why is the tank tender still with BMC, do they do excellent work that I can't see?

 

[BordoEnes]

I personally like otokar more than BMC

Otokar signed contract to develop a tank and did deliver an excellent tank
BMC signed contract to build that tank, now where is the tank?

I like professional companies, companies that deliver

We shouldn't even have preferences, these are ultimately private companies who's sole purpose is to grown and make money.

What we all should like instead is just fair competition and a proper meritocratic defence industry untouched by corruption and blatant biases.

 

[Anmdt]

Why is the tank tender still with BMC, do they do excellent work that I can't see?

They are well protected with "engines are not developed so we can not continue the project"
However, they did also fail Leopard modernization which they didn't need to wait for anything but it is spoken a little.

 

[Combat-Master]

It’s a cheap solution, no doubt, but I have one about there capabilities. I think they are not really able to protect a tank . Something like a „Ground Wingman“ is what we need. Or for an asymmetric warfare a light tank which Tulpar can be. If we talk about the same „M-116“ vehicles (ZMA), they are not able to do this job in the same way.

We can compare both vehicles Tulpar/ZMA to look on pros and cons of the vehicles.

Of course Tulpar would come up on top on paper, however like I said, it is not ground breaking. ZMA modernisation package includes electronic package that even Tulpar is not kitted out with, nor would a foreign supplier provide for Otokar.

If they need a new modern IFV or a dedicated Light Tank the army would go with traditional tracked vehicle provider FNSS - they have the facilities to produce on mass and a tracked record of providing excellent service.

Kaplan series of Tracked Vehicles

Light Tank

--All Amphibious--

30ton IFV

20ton IFV

10ton IFV "ANTI-TANK platform "

 

[Tornadoss]

Of course Tulpar would come up on top on paper, however like I said, it is not ground breaking. ZMA modernisation package includes electronic package that even Tulpar is not kitted out with, nor would a foreign supplier provide for Otokar.

Aselsan could provide that.