Aselsan could provide that.
One wonders why Otokar always goes with foreign sub-systems.
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Aselsan could provide that.
Because they aim export market i presume, and their customer chose those? They wouldn't have much chance if they were forced to use Turkish subsystems at greater extends. i am sure in tenders conducted by SSB, this is done as such.One wonders why Otokar always goes with foreign sub-systems.
Because they aim export market i presume, and their customer chose those? They wouldn't have much chance if they were forced to use Turkish subsystems at greater extends. i am sure in tenders conducted by SSB, this is done as such.
To be honest i don't like neither of those IFVs as long as they don't incorporate the Korhan turret.
Amphibious is secret word. Although i adore Tulpar, Being Amphibious FNSS's 30 ton IFV's is cutting across.Of course Tulpar would come up on top on paper, however like I said, it is not ground breaking. ZMA modernisation package includes electronic package that even Tulpar is not kitted out with, nor would a foreign supplier provide for Otokar.
If they need a new modern IFV or a dedicated Light Tank the army would go with traditional tracked vehicle provider FNSS - they have the facilities to produce on mass and a tracked record of providing excellent service.
Kaplan series of Tracked Vehicles
Light Tank
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--All Amphibious--
30ton IFV
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20ton IFV
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10ton IFV "ANTI-TANK platform "
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Otokar is building these in Licence production or distributor in the Turkish market. Ford Otosan is part of the same group, so Koc is filling some gaps in their line-ups with these smaller trucks.?? Is Otokar selling a Chinese truck as her own ?
Yes I know better!
BMC got free piece of land in Karasu to build her factory, where is it?
They got huge incentives and also the Leopard 2 modernization at the same time that Aselsan got the M60T modernization. Aselsan delivered all the modernized tanks, how many did BMC deliver?
Usually if a company wins a tender (even there we have big question marks on the tank serial production tender), a tender is taken away if that company for whatever reason can't deliver (happened to Tumosan). Why is the tank tender still with BMC, do they do excellent work that I can't see?
They are well protected with "engines are not developed so we can not continue the project"
However, they did also fail Leopard modernization which they didn't need to wait for anything but it is spoken a little.
As much as I want Otokar to produce the tank, we must be honest and fair here. Even if Otokar has won the tender. Which progress could it has made? Even with a factory, you will never start a serial production if it is not clear, that you ever get an engine for such vehicles. In this correlation, even Otokar would not start the serial production.
Just speculation, but with Otokar as the winner , they would have had a better chance to get the engine, than the nepotism buddy of Erdogan called Ethem Sancak.
As much as I like FNSS, they are behind Otokar‘s Tulpar. Starting from the design (currently one) to protection level. Despite from the FNSS 20t, they all look like stretched and face lifted M-114, to be honest. Not to mention that Otokar has also mass production capabilities.Of course Tulpar would come up on top on paper, however like I said, it is not ground breaking. ZMA modernisation package includes electronic package that even Tulpar is not kitted out with, nor would a foreign supplier provide for Otokar.
If they need a new modern IFV or a dedicated Light Tank the army would go with traditional tracked vehicle provider FNSS - they have the facilities to produce on mass and a tracked record of providing excellent service.
Kaplan series of Tracked Vehicles
Light Tank
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--All Amphibious--
30ton IFV
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20ton IFV
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10ton IFV "ANTI-TANK platform "
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They have much better R&D capabilities. They could had even further improved the tank, turret, develop different variants while waiting for engine development.
That’s indeed mysterious.One wonders why Otokar always goes with foreign sub-systems.
Again, I wished Otokar has won the tender, it is still the better choice, but I have my doubts if they would start a mass production of a tank without having an engine.
They always do that even if they have the ability to use parts from their sister company like the engine of ford otosan trucks... I really don't understand why so many hype this company? They just assembled Altay prototype. And how many Tulpar did they produce? Honest question! And I don't get to the point where they sell chicom truck here....oh the outrage when another company would have done this!
I would also like to see Kaplan MT light tank with included amphibious capability (if they did it for the 30 ton Kaplan IFV they would be able to do it here also), APS and capability of firing 105mm TANOK ATGMs for its cannon for the marines. I want to ensure that the marines have a dedicated direct fire support and are able to operate independently without a problem without the need of Land Forces support in the initial moments of their beach cleaning operation and ensuring of perimeter security for the Land Forces units that are yet to come mainly logistics, infantry and tank units.
The tank is where the engine is. There is no tank without an engine, Otokar made a tank with many strings attached. That is no different from the F35, you can have it but it is not yours, you can not use it when you want to.I personally like otokar more than BMC
Otokar signed contract to develop a tank and did deliver an excellent tank
BMC signed contract to build that tank, now where is the tank?
I like professional companies, companies that deliver
The dumbest thing i have heard today ... even if the contract was given to otokar ..they cannot produce an engine or get it from abroad .. bmc started an engine and transmission R&D ..reached Prototyp and testing phase ... They did a great breakthrough that otokar cant do .. otokar uses a lot of imported subsystems ..and this go against the ssb policyI personally like otokar more than BMC
Otokar signed contract to develop a tank and did deliver an excellent tank
BMC signed contract to build that tank, now where is the tank?
I like professional companies, companies that deliver