TR Land Vehicle Programs

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

hungary, qatar, japan I have no idea about the 4th country

I don't think it will be Japan, but it would be great if it did.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Here goes another chunk of the much needed budget for NG IFVs. All remaining M113s should be assigned to mine clearing duty, that will be a huge relief for defence enthusiasts!
This is nothing more than yet another M113 upgrade program, brilliant shell, but rotten core…

Turkey’s latest purchases of these M113s were at 633000 dollars a piece. US has sold the latest versions to Malaysia at a unit price of nearly 1.5 million dollars. To dump 4.2 billion dollars worth of equipment would be insane.
New locally produced AFV’s will cost may be just under a million dollars.
Land Forces of Turkey is not going to pay more than what it cost to buy these n the first place, for their upgrading.
For a country like Turkey, where finances are restricted, a gradual renovation of these, especially with groundbreaking new tech is the ideal way forward.

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[Yasar_TR]

Your positive approach and straightforwardness is hard to beat! I certainly agree with you, however, this does not change the fact that it is an obsolete design, and attempts to revive it is to flush any available funds (required to build up a deterrent force) down the drain!

The important thing is that they will be tackling only 50 of these old machines to upgrade. It will be a good exercise to see if it is worth it or not. Who knows it may prove you right as well.
Nothing ventured nothing gained!

 

[Huelague]

hungary, qatar, japan I have no idea about the 4th country

Azerbaijan?

 

[Hexciter]

With the New Generation Light Armored Vehicles (YNHZA) project, 2,952 vehicles of 52 different types, whether tracked or wheeled, will be procured.

UTKU power group will be used in the project. In other words, a 1.000hp V8 engine and a transmission that can serve up to 40 tons.

The tender process is expected to begin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1439502734827429891

 

[Manomed]

With the New Generation Light Armored Vehicles (YNHZA) project, 2,952 vehicles of 52 different types, whether tracked or wheeled, will be procured.

UTKU power group will be used in the project. In other words, a 1.000hp V8 engine and a transmission that can serve up to 40 tons.

The tender process is expected to begin.

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I hope Army finally adopts a good IFV "Umarım şöyle güzelinden paletli bir zırhlı araç çıkar ortaya"

 

[Anmdt]

With the New Generation Light Armored Vehicles (YNHZA) project, 2,952 vehicles of 52 different types, whether tracked or wheeled, will be procured.

UTKU power group will be used in the project. In other words, a 1.000hp V8 engine and a transmission that can serve up to 40 tons.

The tender process is expected to begin.

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The good thing is; even a simple carrier seems to have Akkor.

 

[Siper>MMU]

#armaandtulparfortsk

 

[Saithan]

So any competitor will have to adapt the Utku power group in their proposal, and no alternative engine, domestic or joint venture! I might have missed the news that this power pack was mounted and tested to perfection on alternative vehicles!!!

Or it will be. But I’ll go ahead an assume that FNSS, Otokar if they bid will hopefully leave space enough for alternative engine. Having to bid with an untested engine is AKP way of ensuring greasing someones wheels

 

[TheInsider]

1000hp is good for 40-tonne vehicles but overkill for 30-tonne vehicles.

 

[Abdelaziz]

1000hp is good for 40-tonne vehicles but overkill for 30-tonne vehicles.

For 30 tone bmc azra would be ideal ..but still no transmission in this category except for tümosan's ..bu i dunno where they reached with it

 

[Cypro]

If BMC engines are not good enough for military vehicles, not matured or reliable enough... all those equipment could become useless in short period of time. I hope this project don't become another example of corruption. Domestic engine is so important but reliability too.

 

[OPTIMUS]

if OTOKAR doesn't leave his line, then he's out.

I am not sure about the details of the tender but it is required that the engine must be "UTKU". No MTU !!

So OTOKAR it's your turn ... or not ??

 

[Combat-Master]

if OTOKAR doesn't leave his line, then he's out.

I am not sure about the details of the tender but it is required that the engine must be "UTKU". No MTU !!

So OTOKAR it's your turn ... or not ??

The engine has to be Turkish, from the mouth of the SSB president. As he explains, the reason for this is so that domestic engine manufacturers are not dissuaded from developing engines.

 

[OPTIMUS]

If BMC engines are not good enough for military vehicles, not matured or reliable enough... all those equipment could become useless in short period of time. I hope this project don't become another example of corruption. Domestic engine is so important but reliability too.

The Turkish Army is no longer an Army waiting in the garnizones. The needs of mobility, firepower and agility demand quick decisions and the resulting equipment.

The Army puts their Kervan on the way. Because your feedback can be put into action very quickly by established defense companies. This capacity is currently lacking in all neighboring countries except Russia.

the valid assumption in European countries is, "the Turkish army is no longer a defense army but an attack army", which has carried out its Missions with great professionalism and efficiency.

I've said before that 2021 will be a harvest year, 2022 an equipment year, and 2023 a türkish year.

That nothing can stop the Turkish armaments companies and they don't need to worry about a possible change of government in the future. An army prepared for attack does not allow another political party to take away its soup.

Turkey has no more time to lose through extensive testing ...Turkey lines up its train as it moves!!

 

[Stimpy75]

@Combat-Master
remember this gun? i took a picture of it, for our Atak II competition
from here https://blablachars.blogspot.com/2021/09/une-alternative-interessante-en-30mm.html

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440243896655618058

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440243910572314633

 

[TheInsider]

It seems like L3 gave a guarantee for export restrictions.

 

[Stuka]

OTOKAR ARMA II 6x6 with MIZRAK 30mm Turret.

> Gross Vehicle weight 23 Tons

 

[Test7]

The Altug Is A New Wheeled APC From Turkey​

Via BMC.

The manufacturer BMC is pushing its own wheeled armored fighting vehicle for the Turkish military’s eventual rebuilding from the bottom up, a process that’s been underway for a few year’s now. The 8×8 APC branded as the “Altug” conforms to a familiar layout with a spacious troop compartment furnished with individual seats and the engine installed at the front of the hull beside the driver. The Altug seats a total of 11 people and mounts different remote controlled weapon stations according to the end user’s requirements.


The Altug was previously unveiled in the beginning of 2021 at a demonstration organized by BMC for the defense ministry and armed forces. The event from January also featured a demonstrator for the Altay main battle tank, which has yet to commence low rate production and enter service with the army. The Altug was displayed indoors for the IDEF 2021 arms show in August where it received extra media attention. The Altug is the third model of 8×8 APC manufactured in Turkey. Its immediate rivals are the Otokar Arma and the very successful FNSS PARS; the latter has been exported to Malaysia and Oman. BMC’s current reputation as the primary supplier of the army’s tactical vehicles puts in a very good light and might influence the Altug’s prospects.

The crucial details of armored fighting vehicles always focus on their armaments, mobility, and protection level. But the Altug’s engine type and its performance are unknown and the exact level of its armor hasn’t been revealed. It’s apparent, however, that its protective features are robust. The monocoque hull is put together with aluminum panels and composites. A v-shaped bottom is formed to make the vehicle survivable against roadside bombs and land mines. This also explains the Altug’s noticeable height–it easily towers over most tracked APCs and even tanks.

Via BMC.

So far the vehicle’s protection is made up of different features like add-on panels on the hull’s flanks and passive sensors perched on its roof. The turret for its large caliber main armament supports two rows of smoke grenade dischargers and mounts a hard-kill active protection system on a pivoting stand and a gunshot detector. For maximum situational awareness the Altug has front and back cameras for the driver and cameras included in the pivoting EO/IR sights on the turret. A particular drawback of the Altug is its manufacturer hasn’t clarified if it’s supposed to be amphibious or not. The local rivals Arma and the PARS each have propellers under their hulls.

BMC didn’t hold back when it came to combat optimization. So far the Altug supports two weapon stations. Pictured above is a turret for a 35mm cannon networked with its own subsystems. (Concealed launchers for anti-tank missiles are noticeably absent.) It’s also possible to have a smaller remote controlled .50 caliber machine gun on the vehicle’s roof. What makes Turkish armored vehicles so competitive is their foreign end users or operators may add weaponry of their own choosing. For example, the UAE developed the Rabdan IFV using the Otokar Arma but installed the turret of the Kurganmashzavod BMP-3, and there are many varieties of Turkish vehicles adapted for armaments sourced elsewhere.

How Turkey’s army and internal security apparatus will shape their forces this decade is difficult to imagine. Older NATO equipment remain predominant such as “legacy platforms” like the M113 APC and Leopard tanks. But in the span of a single decade the government agency SSB has overseen a historic blossoming of Turkish military technology thanks to a sizable manufacturing sector and inputs from NATO allies and other partners. Arriving more than a decade after the current 8×8 APCs among NATO armies the Altug looks to be very competitive and an appealing choice for militaries oriented toward high tech land warfare.

The Altug Is A New Wheeled APC From Turkey

Via BMC. The manufacturer BMC is pushing its own wheeled armored fighting vehicle for the Turkish military’s eventual rebuilding from the bottom up, a process that’s been underway for a…

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