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No. That's an Arma with a Chinese turret on top with an other name written on top. Otokar will give every single expertise to build them in house if they finally win it, they don't have any. Otokar is happy to do business and doesn't care what do they call Arma in countries they sell, doesn't mean we have to follow the same line of thinking.
 

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No. That's an Arma with a Chinese turret on top with an other name written on top. Otokar will give every single expertise to build them in house if they finally win it, they don't have any. Otokar is happy to do business and doesn't care what do they call Arma in countries they sell, doesn't mean we have to follow the same line of thinking.

Yeah I know, what i ment moreso was a localized variant that will be locally produced eventually. Still tho last I heard was that they were going for Barys 8x8 so I am kind of confused regarding Arma's status here.
 

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Why so far out in the future ?
 

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New tactical truck, Kısrak from Koluman. Looks to be based on Unimog. BMC Efe production was ended few years ago. Although no deal was announced, we can expect Kısrak to enter service in the near future as some early model Unimogs were retired beginning from 2022.

Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.


Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...
 

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does anyone know why army is choosing to buy so many different vehicles etc. at the same time do they want to make logistics as ahard as possible?
 

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Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.


Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...
Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?


Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.

does anyone know why army is choosing to buy so many different vehicles etc. at the same time do they want to make logistics as ahard as possible?

The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.
 

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Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?


Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.



The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.
They make perfect sense as basic logistics trucks of a brigade. But they are named Personnel Transport Vehicles, that's an APC role. They don't even have seatbelts, or seats.
 

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Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?


Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.



The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.
thats not what i mean army is buying truck from every company bmc anadolu savunma mercedes koluman and others doesn't it make logistics harder?
 

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thats not what i mean army is buying truck from every company bmc anadolu savunma mercedes koluman and others doesn't it make logistics harder?
Trucks procured from Anadolu Savunma, Mercedes (Koluman), BMC, and other companies serve various military purposes. Anadolu Savunma and Mercedes provide vehicles for transporting systems like the Unimog (personnel carrier), ASELSAN’s radar systems, SİPER, TAYFUN, and HİSAR-O. BMC supplies tank transporters, water tankers, refueling tankers, and 5-10 ton trucks. Each vehicle has a specific role.

Multiple suppliers are chosen to support domestic defense firms and encourage competition, which drives technological progress. Relying on a single supplier poses risks to the supply chain if that supplier faces issues. Using multiple sources helps reduce these risks.

Additionally, different missions require specialized vehicles. Each company’s unique expertise allows for tailored and flexible solutions.

In summary, a multi-source procurement strategy, though complex, improves operational efficiency and supports national defense industry growth when well managed.
 

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Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.


Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...
Several companies who produce top tier MRAPS and our Land Forces goes and busye unarmored Unimogs. While the Air Force and Navy are clearly thinking a head and actually plan and procure acc to the year we are in our Land Forces Command is clearly stuck in the 80s and 90s. This is slowly becoming a joke.

It is not even like that you could argue they do it to use the budget for other toys (8x8 IFV, tracked IFV, Tanks) no their procurement is pretty shit.
 

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Yes some old but still could be refurebished and be useful.
Forcing KKK to use gendarme handouts would be a taller order than forcing them to use light tanks so I'm mostly okay with this. Refreshing the most overused trucks is not a bad idea.
 

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Not every vehicle in the military has to be armoured, nor will they necessarily carry soldiers right into battle, even if they call it a personal carrier. Most of what happens in military happens far behind the lines, if necessary those seats can be taken off and these trucks would become part of our logistics. Or, if the need arises they could easily be armoured in the back for more protection.

And, we probably have more MRAPs and other armoured vehicles than entire European continent has combined, so, I doubt there is any big risk of these going into the front in case of a war, and if that happens, we'd have a lot more to be worried about.
 
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