TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Khagan1923]

Pars IV NG(Teaser), UGV (Teaser), NG IFV(? Teaser) and a new RCWS (Sancak) from FNSS.

 

[Stuka]

While we were talking about BMC DEFENCE and there ambitions they just added another one to its inventory.

Meet the BMC Tactical Wheeled Vehicle 6x6 Tow for Logistics.

They just added it to their Website. There aren't any Specifications yet.

 

[Combat-Master]

While we were talking about BMC DEFENCE and there ambitions they just added another one to its inventory.

Meet the BMC Tactical Wheeled Vehicle 6x6 Tow for Logistics.

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They just added it to their Website. There aren't any Specifications yet.

Was at IDEF'17, chassis used for AFGM / Aselsan's truck mounted Panter Howitzer

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Foulgrim]

Can you translate the most important points of the interview into English? Thanks.

 

[Stuka]

While we were talking about BMC DEFENCE and there ambitions they just added another one to its inventory.

Meet the BMC Tactical Wheeled Vehicle 6x6 Tow for Logistics.

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They just added it to their Website. There aren't any Specifications yet.

The Timing is interesting.

Two of the MAN 6 × 6 tank carrier vehicles found in the Turkish Armed Forces inventory were removed from the inventory.
The vehicles, which were stated to be removed from the inventory about 2 months ago, were put on the market by Öcallar Otomotiv.

TSK envanterinden çıkarılan MAN 6x6 tank taşıyıcı araç sivil satışta

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri envanterinde bulanan MAN 6x6 tank taşıyıcı araçlardan ikisi envanterden çıkarıldı

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Stuka]

Take a look at who has been spotted.

BMC 8x8 in the wild

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377609170430595077

 

[Nutuk]

I don't believe the design belongs to BMC. Kirpi and Vuran are Israeli designs.

It makes me unhappy that Otokar and FNSS are victimized for this company who is against everything SSB is standing for (nationallization / independence)

 

[BordoEnes]

I don't believe the design belongs to BMC. Kirpi and Vuran are Israeli designs.

It makes me unhappy that Otokar and FNSS are victimized for this company who is against everything SSB is standing for (nationallization / independence)

LMAO why do you think so many of us have an issue with BMC. You cannot expect something good from a company that has corruption and favoritism written all over it. They have never designed anything themselves and have shown no effort to even try.

 

[CAN_TR]

Let's see who will get the tender for the new IFV

 

[Tornadoss]

Let's see who will get the tender for the new IFV

Now, I am waiting from them a tracked ifv.

 

[Masesebe]

I don't believe the design belongs to BMC. Kirpi and Vuran are Israeli designs.

It makes me unhappy that Otokar and FNSS are victimized for this company who is against everything SSB is standing for (nationallization / independence)

Why you people are so cocky about bmc company .
Otokar is being otokar , they rely on foreign systems and engines , so expensive .
On the other hand fnss is a great company which is so creative with their products and their priority is to domesticated all of their products like the pars which will be included in the army during this year with a tumosan engine .
Bmc in a joint company with an ally contry which pours a lot of money in turkey's economy. And whats important about bmc is that they are working hard and building engines that even strong countries cant do or afford .
And i dont see disadvantages in the bmc 8x8 , it took a lot of advantages from otger successful vehicles like boxer for an example .
And it got A 600 hp domistic bmc power engine with a local transmission .
So please thing before saying any thing .
And the kirpi yes it is an israeli design , the first version .
And because of that bmc created the bmc kirpi 2 after they learned a lot during the first phase .
And just to let everybody knows ,vuran and amazon are indegiounis designs .
I really like this thread and i dont like seeing people talking false things and make this thread talk more about hate more than creativity and new awesome news and projects .

 

[Khagan1923]

Why you people are so cocky about bmc company .
Otokar is being otokar , they rely on foreign systems and engines , so expensive .
On the other hand fnss is a great company which is so creative with their products and their priority is to domesticated all of their products like the pars which will be included in the army during this year with a tumosan engine .
Bmc in a joint company with an ally contry which pours a lot of money in turkey's economy. And whats important about bmc is that they are working hard and building engines that even strong countries cant do or afford .
And i dont see disadvantages in the bmc 8x8 , it took a lot of advantages from otger successful vehicles like boxer for an example .
And it got A 600 hp domistic bmc power engine with a local transmission .
So please thing before saying any thing .
And the kirpi yes it is an israeli design , the first version .
And because of that bmc created the bmc kirpi 2 after they learned a lot during the first phase .
And just to let everybody knows ,vuran and amazon are indegiounis designs .
I really like this thread and i dont like seeing people talking false things and make this thread talk more about hate more than creativity and new awesome news and projects .

Vuran and Amazon both belonged to an Israeli company. BMC just bought the design rights. Kirpi 2 was designed by the Land Forces and not by BMC, just as Altay Turret is being designed Aselsan not BMC. Kirpi had so many flaws that the Land Forces took matters into their own hands and told BMC what to change to make it more reliable and not fall over at every turn. This 8x8 again is another design they bought from an foreign company and from the looks of it is nowhere close the quality of Pars or Arma, wheels too small, profile too high, ass is pointing out like a pimple on a acne ridden teenagers forehead.

The only people who are pushing politics here are the ones who try to obscure the fact that BMC doesn’t deserve to exist because it is not competitive and the only reason they do is because they benefit from corruption and favoritism that has swept every single institution of this Country over the last twenty years. Funny how they same people liking your post can’t be bothered to ever like posts about FNSS, TAI or Otokar. And then trying to deflect from the rightful criticism of a country that has zero „Milli“ to it by crying politics.

The only ones pushing politics are those who can’t argue why BMC is winning tenders for products without any actual trial taking place, why the „perfectly fine“ Kirpi gets replaced by an new version 5 years into its life cycle by the Land Forces. What is so „Milli“ about a company buying everything used in its vehicles from foreign companies while crying about Otokar doing the same even though Otokar designs its own vehicles, why Altay tender for serial production was delayed and sabotage for 3 years for a company that has zero experience in tracked vehicles and minimal in wheeled, why the tender for NGAPC has been delayed for years now even though there are perfect solutions from FNSS and Otokar on the market and why the tender for NGIFV has too been delayed for years even though both Tulpar and Kaplan are available now for 4-5 years.

Also that 8x8 is hideous, and BMC will never be able to fix those points about it because it is an company that places zero worth on its engineers because it knows it will get orders for vehicles that perform worse than the competition no matter what so they don’t have to fix them. The Land Forces will do it for them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377243833730220036

Here is your „Milli“ Vuran. BMC is more Israeli than it is Turkish or Qatari.

Shouldn’t you all be bothered by this? Isn’t one reason you don’t like Otokar because the Koc family is supposedly according to you guys „Zionist“?

I want Ethem Sancak to come out heavily criticize Erdogan and then see if BMC gets any new tenders or if they are even able to keep the serial production of Altay.

Would love to see you guys give them the same love then too. But you wouldn’t, because you don’t defend BMC because you think they are a good company that elevates the TSK but because their CEO is buds buds with the President of Turkey.

And you see any criticism, literally any, of BMC as an indirect attack on Erdogan.

 

[Turko]

Why you people are so cocky about bmc company .
Otokar is being otokar , they rely on foreign systems and engines , so expensive .
On the other hand fnss is a great company which is so creative with their products and their priority is to domesticated all of their products like the pars which will be included in the army during this year with a tumosan engine .
Bmc in a joint company with an ally contry which pours a lot of money in turkey's economy. And whats important about bmc is that they are working hard and building engines that even strong countries cant do or afford .
And i dont see disadvantages in the bmc 8x8 , it took a lot of advantages from otger successful vehicles like boxer for an example .
And it got A 600 hp domistic bmc power engine with a local transmission .
So please thing before saying any thing .
And the kirpi yes it is an israeli design , the first version .
And because of that bmc created the bmc kirpi 2 after they learned a lot during the first phase .
And just to let everybody knows ,vuran and amazon are indegiounis designs .
I really like this thread and i dont like seeing people talking false things and make this thread talk more about hate more than creativity and new awesome news and projects .

We are against corruption while the president giving all defence bids to his company. I believe that Erdoğan is the secret owner of BMC.

 

[Zafer]

It will probably be another half decade before fully indigenous products are made. Nowadays we are still playing catch up in most areas in an effort to meet our national needs and make some extra cash taking opportunities to export our products. What matters is whether we cut the reliance on foreign intellectual property rights and the level of domestic input on the end product along with end product quality.

on top of it BMC makes engines towards all domestic while others keep weak spots in our industry rendering us weak.

 

[Anmdt]

It will probably be another half decade before fully indigenous products are made. Nowadays we are still playing catch up in most areas in an effort to meet our national needs and make some extra cash taking opportunities to export our products. What matters is whether we cut the reliance on foreign intellectual property rights and the level of domestic input on the end product along with end product quality.

on top of it BMC makes engines towards all domestic while others keep weak spots in our industry rendering us weak.

Tümosan pulled out an engine earlier than BMC, who is funded greatly, and FNSS is going to deliver a 6x6 (or 8x8 ) in future with more local systems than BMC would do.
In my opinion FNSS should do wheeled APC /IFV deliveries for the rest as well, BMC should only focus to the Tank (apart from their earlier business in 4x4).
We don't need another fiasco for wheeled armored vehicles as well.

At least they shouldn't showcase the otokar prototype , again and again with tapes and glues on it with mock up systems, they should actually make one .
The tank has been in their hands for years they haven't done much in progress as they claimed to "redesign" it , i am not yet talking about the engine issue since it would be defended by " Germans not selling the engine", but did we ever think the problem may stem from Germans not trusting BMC? (Note this has happened for TRMotor)

That is just an excuse, 2 years later we have heard there are some engines in the storage and low rate production would start with those engines, again nothing has come out of that after a year has passed.
It is obviously, they are still-despite of acquiring Tank-Palet, not capable of making a Tank.

 

[Nutuk]

BMC with her Israeli products is everything anti to what SSB stands for, that's why I have a dislike otherwise why would I be against the company as I have no stake in any of them

 

[Combat-Master]

I don't believe the design belongs to BMC. Kirpi and Vuran are Israeli designs.

It makes me unhappy that Otokar and FNSS are victimized for this company who is against everything SSB is standing for (nationallization / independence)

Kirpi and Vuran's armour was designed by Hatehof, the design of those vehicles have changed considerably since ownership changed hands. Hatehof no longer exists as they don't have a market in Turkey anymore and BMC likely stopped exporting chassis to Hatehof.

Let's not forget where Otokar and FNSS roots started from.

On BMC's 8x8; driveline completely designed and produced in Turkey by BASE

Oh, you pulled out the Victim Card - Let me address that too with some FACTS.


FNSS Vehicles Purchased for Turkish Land/Naval/Special Forces
Marine Assault Vehicle
Kaplan Anti-Tank Vehicle
PARS 4x4
PARS Scout, 6x6 and 8x8
PARS KOMANDO

OTOKAR Purchased for Land/Poilce/Border Forces
Cobra
Cobra II
Ural

 

[Combat-Master]

Vuran and Amazon both belonged to an Israeli company. BMC just bought the design rights. Kirpi 2 was designed by the Land Forces and not by BMC, just as Altay Turret is being designed Aselsan not BMC. Kirpi had so many flaws that the Land Forces took matters into their own hands and told BMC what to change to make it more reliable and not fall over at every turn. This 8x8 again is another design they bought from an foreign company and from the looks of it is nowhere close the quality of Pars or Arma, wheels too small, profile too high, ass is pointing out like a pimple on a acne ridden teenagers forehead.

The only people who are pushing politics here are the ones who try to obscure the fact that BMC doesn’t deserve to exist because it is not competitive and the only reason they do is because they benefit from corruption and favoritism that has swept every single institution of this Country over the last twenty years. Funny how they same people liking your post can’t be bothered to ever like posts about FNSS, TAI or Otokar. And then trying to deflect from the rightful criticism of a country that has zero „Milli“ to it by crying politics.

The only ones pushing politics are those who can’t argue why BMC is winning tenders for products without any actual trial taking place, why the „perfectly fine“ Kirpi gets replaced by an new version 5 years into its life cycle by the Land Forces. What is so „Milli“ about a company buying everything used in its vehicles from foreign companies while crying about Otokar doing the same even though Otokar designs its own vehicles, why Altay tender for serial production was delayed and sabotage for 3 years for a company that has zero experience in tracked vehicles and minimal in wheeled, why the tender for NGAPC has been delayed for years now even though there are perfect solutions from FNSS and Otokar on the market and why the tender for NGIFV has too been delayed for years even though both Tulpar and Kaplan are available now for 4-5 years.

Also that 8x8 is hideous, and BMC will never be able to fix those points about it because it is an company that places zero worth on its engineers because it knows it will get orders for vehicles that perform worse than the competition no matter what so they don’t have to fix them. The Land Forces will do it for them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377243833730220036

Here is your „Milli“ Vuran. BMC is more Israeli than it is Turkish or Qatari.

Shouldn’t you all be bothered by this? Isn’t one reason you don’t like Otokar because the Koc family is supposedly according to you guys „Zionist“?

I want Ethem Sancak to come out heavily criticize Erdogan and then see if BMC gets any new tenders or if they are even able to keep the serial production of Altay.

Would love to see you guys give them the same love then too. But you wouldn’t, because you don’t defend BMC because you think they are a good company that elevates the TSK but because their CEO is buds buds with the President of Turkey.

And you see any criticism, literally any, of BMC as an indirect attack on Erdogan.

First off, I have zero meat in politics. But clearly you do - one thing I will do is set you straight on your disinformation on BMC, whilst giving zero fvcks to your political leaning.

It was a co-operative venture between BMC and HATEHOF, back when ties were good with Israel. HATEHOF designed the armour (ballistic and mine tests) and BMC provided the Chassis. Simple. Obviously ties with BMC and HATEHOF/CARMOR broke away since and HATEHOF/CARMOR no longer exists.

Oh look an Anti-Riot vehicle by Hatehof, by god - is that on an BMC Chassis ?

 

[Zafer]

With Turkey's self reliance policy the paradigm has changed completely.
We will not rely on Germans or Israelis or Americans or the British for our defense. Even tiny Israel won't settle to rely on outsiders for defense. This makes our past arguments obsolete. That who makes us stronger against everyone else is our champion that who doesn't will eat dust.