TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

Nutuk · Dec 9, 2020

Glass said:
Thats exactly why we have to get the Russians to invade some countries in the EU and end NATO (the primary security architecture in Europe).

That's what we call out of the box thinking.

But how do we get Russia to invade countries?

Glass🚬 · Dec 9, 2020

Nutuk said:
That's what we call out of the box thinking.

But how do we get Russia to invade countries?

By making sure that NATO doesn't exist by the end of this decade. With the upcoming hot stand-offs between China and the US further voids will be created and with Turkey becoming an adversary we could influence the Russians to make a move without heavy repercussion.

guest12 · Dec 9, 2020

Glass said:
Thats exactly why we have to get the Russians to invade some countries in the EU and end NATO (the primary security architecture in Europe).

Bad idea U.S. influence in EU what prevents creating of a common EU army.Creation of such army must be prevented at all costs , also without U.S. influence on EU in no time you will see Russia as an EU member.

Saithan · Dec 9, 2020

Glass said:
By making sure that NATO doesn't exist by the end of this decade. With the upcoming hot stand-offs between China and the US further voids will be created and with Turkey becoming an adversary we could influence the Russians to make a move without heavy repercussion.

No, Russia has a much more settled governance form, and tight grip on Russia and so on. Thinking that we will get it our way is foolish. We’re still developing and our economy is struggling. We should consolidate and strenghten and get more reliable allies and more supply chain. If NATO dies it dies, but we should keep it real and serve our own interests

Saithan · Dec 9, 2020

guest12 said:
Bad idea U.S. influence in EU what keeps prevents creating of a common EU army.Creation of such army must be prevented at all costs , also without U.S. influence on EU in no time you will see Russia as an EU member.

I disagree that Russia would become EU member. Just not going to happen

france want EU army, but vast majority is against it because of Nato

Fuzuli NL · Dec 9, 2020

Nutuk said:
That's what we call out of the box thinking.

But how do we get Russia to invade countries?

Russia has its eyes set on the Baltic states. Lithuanya, Latvia, and Estonia.
Maybe if we made Russia believe that Turks may go in, they'd act quicker!

Cabatli_TR · Dec 9, 2020

Greeks are desperately seeking a way to stop Turkey by using all instruments of EU. These are their last chances because design studies of ~3000t domestic submarine will be completed (2023) and construction of them will be started until 2025.

Saithan · Dec 9, 2020

Fuzuli NL said:
Russia has its eyes set on the Baltic states. Lithuanya, Latvia, and Estonia.
Maybe if we made Russia believe that Turks may go in, they'd act quicker!

Baltic countries are still partly russian speaking and as such they’re in real danger of falling back into the Russian tzar’s sphere. Crimea is an exampl of this.

Fuzuli NL · Dec 9, 2020

Saithan said:
Baltic countries are still partly russian speaking and as such they’re in real danger of falling back into the Russian tzar’s sphere. Crimea is an exampl of this.

Yes, exactly, that also explains Kazakhstan's careful approach towards Moscow!

Saithan · Dec 10, 2020

Fuzuli NL said:
Yes, exactly, that also explains Kazakhstan's careful approach towards Moscow!

They'll need to move away from linguistic immediately, and embrace their cultural background fast and hard. Changing language and alphabet are very important in this regard.

I'd like to point out that Korea did this as soon as they got their freedom. Changed alphabet to something unique. Thus not even having language in common with China or Japan.

This IMO is the biggest flaw of Taiwan. to still use Chinese script and language. And that may be why Bulgaria is blocking Northern Macedonia from joining EU because they want to wiggle in claims to land or such by forcing NM to accept Bulgarian roots.