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Evacuation of wounded personnel from Matin Mountain this morning.


Artillery hit targets belonging to PKK close to the Metina/Gire Biye TSK outpost. Most probably the terrorists came to do an ATGM attack at the outpost.
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Turkish Armed Forces/MİT's (Intelligence) UCAVs targeted a vehicle belonging to PKK terrorists in the south of Kanimasi, a high-rank PKK terrorist in the vehicle and two of its bodyguard were neutralized.

 

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Evacuation of wounded personnel from Matin Mountain this morning.


Artillery hit targets belonging to PKK close to the Metina/Gire Biye TSK outpost. Most probably the terrorists came to do an ATGM attack at the outpost.
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Turkish Armed Forces/MİT's (Intelligence) UCAVs targeted a vehicle belonging to PKK terrorists in the south of Kanimasi, a high-rank PKK terrorist in the vehicle and two of its bodyguard were neutralized.

What do you think our Army must do so all these pkk/ypg dogs are done forever? What is the plan, continuing like this for decades with a few kills here and there?
 

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What do you think our Army must do so all these pkk/ypg dogs are done forever? What is the plan, continuing like this for decades with a few kills here and there?
This is a simple question but also a hard one for answering.

The short version is that armed struggle is only one part of fighting this threat. The truth is that security forces, education system, media, foreign politics and economy must work together in a coordinated way to fight this type of terrorism.

A lot of time was wasted due to lack of coordination between the military and political authorities. Thankfully nowadays we see the greatest coordination that happened till now. Of course due to the time wasted the PKK also developed. New threats also emerged compared to the 80s and 90s as the organization developed their whole structure in politics, foreign relations, economy, military power.

Due to the coordinated activities of the State in the last couple of years PKK is at its bottom in Turkiye and Iraq. Unfortunately the organization is in a state of Syrianizing that is a bigger plan of another rebranding and legitimating with the help of our "strategic allies". This is in result of past mistakes. I hope we reach a state where we fight the organization in Syria. Exactly how will this happen I don't know but for sure there are some things coming to my mind while looking at the situation. I think at the moment the tempo we have is good enough and I am sure that when the time comes we will do what is necessary. Minimizing damage is not enough. Fighting terrorism in its home is what needs to be done.

As Gazi Mustafa Kemal ATATURK said: "The main thing is the interior front. This front is the front formed by the whole nation. The external front is the armed front of the army against the enemy. This front may be defeated; But it can never destroy a country. It is the collapse of the internal front that destroys the foundation of the country."
 

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This is a simple question but also a hard one for answering.

The short version is that armed struggle is only one part of fighting this threat. The truth is that security forces, education system, media, foreign politics and economy must work together in a coordinated way to fight this type of terrorism.

A lot of time was wasted due to lack of coordination between the military and political authorities. Thankfully nowadays we see the greatest coordination that happened till now. Of course due to the time wasted the PKK also developed. New threats also emerged compared to the 80s and 90s as the organization developed their whole structure in politics, foreign relations, economy, military power.

Due to the coordinated activities of the State in the last couple of years PKK is at its bottom in Turkiye and Iraq. Unfortunately the organization is in a state of Syrianizing that is a bigger plan of another rebranding and legitimating with the help of our "strategic allies". This is in result of past mistakes. I hope we reach a state where we fight the organization in Syria. Exactly how will this happen I don't know but for sure there are some things coming to my mind while looking at the situation. I think at the moment the tempo we have is good enough and I am sure that when the time comes we will do what is necessary. Minimizing damage is not enough. Fighting terrorism in its home is what needs to be done.

As Gazi Mustafa Kemal ATATURK said: "The main thing is the interior front. This front is the front formed by the whole nation. The external front is the armed front of the army against the enemy. This front may be defeated; But it can never destroy a country. It is the collapse of the internal front that destroys the foundation of the country."
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What do you think our Army must do so all these pkk/ypg dogs are done forever? What is the plan, continuing like this for decades with a few kills here and there?

If we assume ground force invasion is not allowed:

We need Barzani to take full control of the border in Iraq with forces we trained. I say Barzani because we do not want an Iran on the border and Iraq is currently strongly influenced by Iran. This would just allow more attacks by PKK to occur under Iran's umbrella.

We also need a way to influence the autonomous region so the government changes into a second Barzani or other structure we can influence through trade. This way the recruitment pool and spread of PKK ideology ends.

Without ground invasion, SNA, HTS or Assad can not attack the YPG and risk America retaliating. It is also shown that there is no internal rebellion that will be successful. Currently, the west treats it as the model of governance for Syria and view it as the replacement to Assad.

Currently it is difficult to say the war against the PKK is successful, the location just changed. The PKK is now a state with an army larger than ever before to our south. They are also not isolated from the world and can form relationships with East and West, as well as damage TR's reputation.

The assassination campaign of PKK leaders in Syria might allow a friendly structure to occur, but the conflict is very heated at the moment and the chance is very low.

Due to the political situation in TR, any negotiations might lead to political suicide.
 
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What do you think our Army must do so all these pkk/ypg dogs are done forever? What is the plan, continuing like this for decades with a few kills here and there?

The "few kills here and there" are actually their higher ranked terrorists, TSK and MIT are neutralizing their experienced members this is enabling their operational capabilities, organization etc. Killing one Orange listed is worth more than killing 20 apes with AK's.

In Syria i think establishing the "buffer zone" should be our first priority and then supporting Arabs in the areas occupied by the YPG, we have to destabilize them from within. Half of their forces are made up of Arabs (paid by the US) they are only loyal to money and their tribes.
 

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We also need a way to influence the autonomous region so the government changes into a second Barzani or other structure we can influence through trade. This way the recruitment pool and spread of PKK ideology ends.
The so called "autonomous regions" higher ranked members are all PKK what are you delusional k3k talking about? Do your pro k*rdistan propaganda somewhere else.

Barzani is not a friend of Türkiye, he has to be hold on a tight leash like the sneaky dog he is.
 

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The "few kills here and there" are actually their higher ranked terrorists, TSK and MIT are neutralizing their experienced members this is enabling their operational capabilities, organization etc. Killing one Orange listed is worth more than killing 20 apes with AK's.

In Syria i think establishing the "buffer zone" should be our first priority and then supporting Arabs in the areas occupied by the YPG, we have to destabilize them from within. Half of their forces are made up of Arabs (paid by the US) they are only loyal to money and their tribes.
The "few kills here and there" wasn't meant in a disrespectful way. Just want to see thousands of those rats getting pounded to dust.
 

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The so called "autonomous regions" higher ranked members are all PKK what are you delusional k3k talking about? Do your pro k*rdistan propaganda somewhere else.

Barzani is not a friend of Türkiye, he has to be hold on a tight leash like the sneaky dog he is.

There is no alternative to Barzani, the Talabani is pro-PKK and Iran, the Iranian controlled Hashd collaborates and has the PKK group from Sinjar in it and it is the size of the Iraqi army. The Hashd has groups responsible for targeting soldiers from TR. The Iraqi government is Iran.

So tell me, who are you going to turn to ? How will you secure the border ? Do you even know ?

And if you read my answer, I mentioned the PKK leaders in Syria. Which is what you said.

Please explain to me your great amazing strategy of killing oranges for years as a solution. I didn't know a terrorist needs to be orange to kill a citizen or soldier or be a threat.
 

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@Angry Turk !!! @Bozan

Guys calm down. Debate but don't get personal. I can assure everybody reading that I am the last one that will allow terrorist propaganda here. Who knows me knows very well what is my stance on this issue.

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There is no alternative to Barzani, the Talabani is pro-PKK and Iran, the Iranian controlled Hashd collaborates and has the PKK group from Sinjar in it and it is the size of the Iraqi army. The Hashd has groups responsible for targeting soldiers from TR. The Iraqi government is Iran.

So tell me, who are you going to turn to ? How will you secure the border ? Do you even know ?

And if you read my answer, I mentioned the PKK leaders in Syria. Which is what you said.

Please explain to me your great amazing strategy of killing oranges for years as a solution. I didn't know a terrorist needs to be orange to kill a citizen or soldier or be a threat.
The only alternative is to keep the rivalry between Barzani and Talabani alive like the stupid feudal clans they are.

TSK and Gendarmerie are securing our border, why should we trust Barzani in our border security are you delusional or just totally naive, lmao.

Killing their members responsible for organization, planning etc. will reduce their capabilities.

What makes you believe that when PKK is gone that Barzani will not take his place? That the Kurds in Türkiye will not start supporting him? I rather keep all of them weak and enemies against each other than one side totally dominating the others.


You are just a delusional Barzani fanboy, portraying himself as a Turk, you don't care about Türkiye. Every one of your comments is literally just "fanboying" Barzani.
 

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That territory outside our borders needs to be held by a force that will not cost us much that will prevent the return of the PKK. The economy cannot afford the status quo - our military spending has had to triple in 2015 onwards and increases more than our GDP does while we have an economic crisis. There needs to be a solution, we are wasting decades of development.

The only alternative is to keep the rivalry between Barzani and Talabani alive like the stupid feudal clans they are.

TSK and Gendarmerie are securing our border, why should we trust Barzani in our border security are you delusional or just totally naive, lmao.

Killing their members responsible for organization, planning etc. will reduce their capabilities.

What makes you believe that when PKK is gone that Barzani will not take his place? That the Kurds in Türkiye will not start supporting him? I rather keep all of them weak and enemies against each other than one side totally dominating the others.


You are just a delusional Barzani fanboy, portraying himself as a Turk, you don't care about Türkiye. Every one of your comments is literally just "fanboying" Barzani.

I don't think you understand the region at all.

You realize that we currently still have attacks like the ministry of interior even with the army at our border because there's a huge pool of recruits and routes for PKK to mobilize, use and smuggle items ? That their propaganda reaches inside TR? That they are beyond the reach of the army and gendarmerie to secure ? The army can't even secure the borders against refugees, you are acting like we have nothing to fear.

You haven't countered my arguments.

And lol, name ten comments fanboying Barzani. Link them.

Barzani used to be on our terrorist btw, but now they are extremely close family with Erdogan. They probably launder money together.
 
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I don't think you understand the region at all.

You realize that we currently still have attacks like the ministry of interior even with the army at our border because there's a huge pool of recruits and routes for PKK to mobilize, use and smuggle items ? That their propaganda reaches inside TR? That they are beyond the reach of the army and gendarmerie to secure ? The army can't even secure the borders against refugees, you are acting like we have nothing to fear.

You haven't countered my arguments.

And lol, name ten comments fanboying Barzani. Link them.

Barzani used to be on our terrorist btw, but now they are extremely close family with Erdogan. They probably launder money together.
I do. I trust TSK and Jandarma more in securing our borders from PKK than Peshmerga and what exactly gives you the impression that Barzani will protect our borders? They can't do shit against PKK and they do nothing besides building outpost in areas secured by TSK.

Good morning my dude we have open borders, we have millions of refugees, flooding the country is promoted by the Goverment, deals with the EU were signed to keep them in Türkiye, the Goverment is boasting around how much they spend on those bloodsucking ticks. The Gendarmerie officers who dealt with illegals are now under arrest, what should the security forces do when the Goverment is allowing them in and punishing everyone who harms them? Illegals aren't even pushed back what do you expect? Gendarmerie personel mowing them down on the border so that they end up in prison?

Erdogan-Barzani family relations and theft, that's the business of Turkish judiciary not mine. I don't have time to waste searching for your fanboy comments look for yourself, since i'm not the only one who noticed your Anti Turkmen and pro Barzanistan comments.
 
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Numerous instances where Peshmerga refused to fight PKK.

There is a reason why Turkish troops are not alongside them at all.

Because they cant be trusted to fight alongside us. We are not even coordinating with them on everything.

There is some coordination but not a full extent. We are keeping our distance. One Peshmerga soldier on PBS talked about if he has to fight pkk he will drop his weapons as he refuses to fight other Kurds.

Erdogan and Barzani are close because their relationship is all business.
 

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I do. I trust TSK and Jandarma more in securing our borders from PKK than Peshmerga and what exactly gives you the impression that Barzani will protect our borders? They can't do shit against PKK and they do nothing besides building outpost in areas secured by TSK.

Good morning my dude we have open borders, we have millions of refugees, flooding the country is promoted by the Goverment, deals with the EU were signed to keep them in Türkiye, the Goverment is boasting around how much they spend on those bloodsucking ticks. The Gendarmerie officers who dealt with illegals are now under arrest, what should the security forces do when the Goverment is allowing them in and punishing everyone who harms them? Illegals aren't even pushed back what do you expect? Gendarmerie personel mowing them down on the border so that they end up in prison?

Erdogan-Barzani family relations and theft, that's the business of Turkish judiciary not mine. I don't have time to waste searching for your fanboy comments look for yourself, since i'm not the only one who noticed your Anti Turkmen and pro Barzanistan comments.

I am not saying to rely on Barzani to secure the borders, but on the Iraqi side we need depth of defence and cutting of PKK movement and supply lines. This is the job of Barzani, as a village guard we pay. Otherwise we would have to keep TSK there forever, which is costly and could cause political headaches. Furthermore it makes a target of TSK. It is Barzani partnered with our intelligence who prevents the PKK from assassinating our diplomats in Iraq for example. This relationship extends to diminishing PKK influence in the region. This war is not just fought by drones and soldiers. You need society to be anti-PKK, the hearts and minds operation. That's what the barzanis are for. As a counter balance, you have seen the PUK become closer to Iran and thus the PKK.

Weak Barzani = stronger PKK. That's the calculation in the region. That is why we have all these deals with Barzani. All of the major PKK routes into Syria from Iraq avoid Barzani territory where possible and use PUK/Iranian/Hashd controlled areas. Ideally they would not have this routes. I did not say anything about trusting Barzani, but he needs us and that is enough to trust that he will not aid the PKK and will prevent their influence. This is a tribal who is practically a village guard like the tribes we pay inside TR - he won't give up the oil and border money for the PKK.

And my posts are not anti-Turkmen, I am anti Iran. My posts about the Kirkuk issue were about how Iran is attempting to take control of the Iraqi Turkmen front using Ersat Salihi's party that is separate to Iraqi Turkmen Front (A bloc). I am pretty sure I am right, too - the events were played exactly in Iran's interests. PUK + Iran + Hashd is dangerous to us.

Numerous instances where Peshmerga refused to fight PKK.

There is a reason why Turkish troops are not alongside them at all.

Because they cant be trusted to fight alongside us. We are not even coordinating with them on everything.

There is some coordination but not a full extent. We are keeping our distance. One Peshmerga soldier on PBS talked about if he has to fight pkk he will drop his weapons as he refuses to fight other Kurds.

Erdogan and Barzani are close because their relationship is all business.

Numerous instances where Erdogan refused to attack Assad too, this is a cost-analysis...TR simply doesn't offer enough for Barzani to risk doing this and losing legitimacy with local population. Barzani does enough to cut PKK supply lines and influence, labelling them terrorist on global news. That's more important than fighting the PKK directly for us anyway, as TSK can handle that. War of the mind is more difficult.

At the end of the day you want the society there to not be pro-PKK and your choice is Barzani or Talabani. One of them will hugely boost PKK recruitment, weapons, propaganda and is connected to Iran. Which do you choose ? Because you cannot send TSK to occupy half of Iraq in this war with the PKK and just assassinating leaders won't end the transnational insurgency, because being a cell leader does not require years of experience.

Also, we know exactly where Mazlum lives in Syria. If you are going to fight this war with gloves on by killing a handful a month, eventually the PKK will make an advancement that will threaten us, like becoming a state in Syria or this attack on the interior.

Imagine a worse scenario - the US does not let you go to Erbil and the Barzanis and Talabanis are both pro-PKK. You'd have far less intelligence on PKK movements and performance would be even worse. The PKK would advance even faster. They can move supplies and people straight to Syria from Iran and to Qandil easily.
 
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Unfortunately Infantry Enlisted Corporal Alican GUNES fell martyr after a contact with the terrorists within area part of Operation Claw-Lock. Two terrorists were eliminated in the same encounter. Operations are going on in the area to determine further terrorist activities in the area. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

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Unfortunately Infantry Enlisted Corporal Alican GUNES fell martyr after a contact with the terrorists within area part of Operation Claw-Lock. Two terrorists were eliminated in the same encounter. Operations are going on in the area to determine further terrorist activities in the area. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

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Allah rahmet eylesin, mekani cennet olsun.
 

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